Art Talking

[Jeffrey Hull]

Hey man cool! Plate # 73 of 1467 Talhoffer shows exactly that same armoured Stuck & Bruch. JH

[Rob Lovett]

How is the bottom figure a hair pull? The person whose head is down has passed under the more upright figure's left armpit, who in turn looks like he has wrapped the head by passing his arm under the guys right armpit.

Just my thought.

Regards
ROb

[J.Amiel_Angeles]

I thought that the style of Ms.Fr.19093 looked familiar. This is from the famous sketchbook of Villard the Honnecourt, who was, respectfully, probably from the 13th century (the 1230s is the best guess), not the 12th. This is a very interesting drawing, because Honnecourt is recognized to be a keen and accurate observer, and who would record whatever it was that he found interesting. It is now said that the church floorplan was probably added later on, and was not actually drawn by Villard. So there is the possibility that in this drawing, the wrestlers had been the centerpiece, not the plans.

[JeanryChandler]

Fascinting pictures!

I wonder if this particular one with the 'formal longsword' could be something like the 'peace knot' that vikings used to use to tie up their swords at parlays and certain meetings, so that a sudden urge to draw a sword and slay someone would be delayed. It looks at first glance like it would be hard to draw that sword quickly.

J

[Ryan Ricks]

that was my thought with the longsword as well, especially if that guy is meeting some sort of social superior



ryan

[John_Clements]

Interesting, thanks. Unfortunately the source provided no details.

JC

[Jared L. Cass]

Thanks, John! Great images. The "Insights from Historical Artwork" area of this site is probably one of those I use the most. A great "cliff notes" resource used along with bookmarked websites dedicated to medieval/ren. art. There's always something I hadn't noticed that jumps up no matter how many times I view them.

Great to see some new and o-so interesting ones!

Jared L. Cass, ARMA Associate, Wisconsin

[John_Clements]

There's always something I hadn't noticed that jumps up no matter how many times I view them.

Thanks, Jared. Same here.
I wish we could move faster on the revision & update to the section, there are some truly stunning images we've been sitting on for over a year that really need to go up and are really worth discussing.

JC

[JeffGentry]

Hey guy's
I never realy knew what i was looking at when i saw era art work now i look at it from a "scholarly" perspective, i now actualy see the picture, it is not just a mass of guy's fighting, or just a cool painting i am now starting to understand what is going on and the perspective of the artist.

I was loking at it alot in the art work section i have missed that since it has been down can't wait till it is up and running again, would lik to see the picture of the stabing from world war I i think a little larger what were the two hole looking thing's on his back?


Jeff

[Fabrice Cognot]

Hi John

This picture just can't date from 1442 - the costumes appear to be typical early-mid XVIth century, not XVth..

cheers

Fab