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Best head simulator

Postby Allen Johnson » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:35 am

What would you all think the best thing to use when trying to accuratley test cuts against a head? I'm going to be working on the effectiveness of the more wrist powered cuts with a baskethilt in the regimental instructed style vs. a more medieval style of cutting with a baskethilt (ie - made on the pass and using full and half arm blows). Melons and pumpkins are good targets but are they the best to simulate hitting a hair and flesh covered skull?
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Re: Best head simulator

Postby TimSheetz » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:17 am

A 16 or 18 guage metal helmet on a stand that gives with the blow - like your neck would if your head was struck.

Just figure a blow to the head from the wrist as a possible stunning hit that needs to be followed up. I am betting that a full hand swing with a stout cutting blade that lands squarely on target on an unhelmeted/uncovered head would probably make it all the way down to the chin. Take that!

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Re: Best head simulator

Postby Casper Bradak » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:25 am

That's kind of a tough one if you're looking for something other than flesh and bone. I don't think there is anything that will let you accurately test cuts against the head other than heads.
Bone can certainly be cut well with good form, but it definitely puts up more resistance than melons, and must be struck with follow through, which is lacking in wrist cuts.
On the up side, there are plenty of materials that will let you practice your cuts well, as opposed to testing their effects.
Test their effects on flesh and bone if you get a chance, and combined with research, you should get an idea of what they'll do, and you can make educated guesses and guage your practice cutting on other materials from that base of knowledge.
Pumpkins are kind of like a head with a foam skull, but I don't know what's better. Perhaps you could reinforce one, clothe it or something to make it tougher.
Perhaps you could make a hard, thick, boiled leather "skull" with thin cloth skin and filler material, and dampen it. We're lacking for bamboo around here. Roll up a soaked phone book? It's a tough one.
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Re: Best head simulator

Postby Allen Johnson » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:01 am

Yeah this'll be interesting. Basically I would be illustrating with semi- accurate physical proof how the user of a baskethilt can in one instance, cleave a man from through the head to the breast and in another instance (with a different technique) wound a man 7 times and have him still survive without any life altering injuries. I wonder if perhaps a 20 gauge or thinner steel over a melon might be fairly close? Anyone got a dishing stump? <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Best head simulator

Postby Brian Hunt » Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:19 am

Hmmm,

skull, hair, skin. . . . a fresh cows head from a slaughter house would fit those requirements . . . . though the skull would be thicker than a humans.

just a thought.

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Re: Best head simulator

Postby Jeff Hansen » Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:51 am

I would second Brian's slaughterhouse recomendation, although, as he mentioned, bovine skulls are considerably thicker and more massive than human. Perhaps pig or sheep would be more comparable. It just occured to me that a rendering plant might be another place to inquire at. (I believe there is one here in Provo)
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Re: Best head simulator

Postby Stacy Clifford » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:14 pm

Perhaps a hard plastic bowl or bucket could function as a skull on or inside the pumpkin?
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Re: Best head simulator

Postby Allen Johnson » Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:50 am

Ohh i kinda like that idea- I doubt we can really accurately do this without actually finding some animals but that may be a good happy medium. Dont they use some kind of metal or plastic for when people get plates in their head? I wonder how close that would be?...
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Re: Best head simulator

Postby Brian Hunt » Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:08 am

If I remember correctly, it is generally a surgical stainless steel plate, most plastics will degrade, and that can lead to horrible infections.

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Re: Best head simulator

Postby Ray Brunk » Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:32 am

How about a coconut on a stake? Possibly covered in leather or cloth to simulate skin. Haven't tried it myself....just popped up in my head.
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Re: Best head simulator

Postby Mike Sega » Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:44 am

All kidding aside, that comment was in seriously bad taste. Wheras I don't think illegal workers in this country should be encouraged, murder is not an option.
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Re: Best head simulator

Postby Matthew_Anderson » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:32 am

Sorry, I wasn't actually advocating murder, it was a joke. I would delete the post in question, but it is too old, perhaps a moderator will help me out.
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Re: Best head simulator

Postby Allen Johnson » Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:59 pm

It was taken in jest - Im ok <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
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