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Travis Ebert
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A Good Starting Point

Postby Travis Ebert » Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:56 pm

Hello,
My name is Travis Ebert and I have spent a few days reading around the site. I would like to get some opinions on which combat manual as well as a recommended Wood Practice Sword or Waster would be a good start for a beginner with no previous knowledge or experience. I appreciate your time and wisdom.

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Re: A Good Starting Point

Postby Mike Cartier » Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:49 am

i would start with the variious ARMA articles on guards and strikes etc. For a manual i would recommend the Joachim Meyer longsword book Meyer Longsword but I am a bit obsesed with it myself so i think i am biased <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: A Good Starting Point

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:26 pm

Dobringer is good also.

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Re: A Good Starting Point

Postby James Sterrett » Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:43 pm

We were in your situation about a year ago.

Regarding wasters: opinions vary. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> We have a pair of Purpleheart wasters that we are quite attached to, though many here don't like Purpleheart much. We also have a pair from Wooden Weapons, which we are not so fond of - they are heavier and clunkier. [Though that makes them good for handing for local kids who are watching our driveway practice sessions.... <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> ] I found Wooden Wasters' customer service to be very poor - they were awful at responding to email or phone calls.

Regarding manuals: don't get one - get several. None are perfect; the three I'll list below [which are the three we have] each have strengths and weaknesses. If you have more than one, then you can cross-compare when one of them confuses you - which, if you're like us, they will. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

John Clements' Medieval Swordsmanship gives a good introduction, and it covers more than just longsword, including a solid chunk of background material on history and swords. It uses very spare drawings of techniques.

Lindholm &amp; Svard's Knightly Art of the Longsword directly translates and comments Ringeck.
On the one hand, this means you get things straight from the source, and the diagrams show footwork; however, we periodically find ourselves disagreeing on how a technique should be executed because the diagrams aren't always clear; and the original text is often cryptic - good for making you think, not so good for being clear (and the book's own commentaries do help there).

We've recently picked up Tobler's Fighting with the German Longsword is written with step-by-step building on techniques in mind. There's a lot of helpful text explaining what's going on. Pictures display techniques; the pictures are clear (good) but it isn't always clear how you get from A to B to C (bad). Tobler also includes drills, which are useful of themselves and as starting points for modification as a means of practice; some of these we'd come up with on our own, many we had not.

Find a training partner, too. Best training aid in existence. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: A Good Starting Point

Postby Travis Ebert » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:14 pm

I appreciate all the advice. Thankyou.

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Re: A Good Starting Point

Postby Jeff Hansen » Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:48 pm

Travis, Where is Madison? I'm just south of Birmingham in Pelham. I've been at it about 3 years, and could help you get started if you want to get together sometime.
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if he keep him safe from strife:
but old age leaves him not long in peace
though spears may spare his life." - from The Havamal

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Re: A Good Starting Point

Postby Travis Ebert » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:58 pm

It's about 2 hours North-East of you. Madison is right outside of Huntsville, AL.

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Re: A Good Starting Point

Postby Brian Hunt » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:24 pm

Hey Travis,

I have had the pleasure of training with Jeff in the past. You could learn an awful lot from him. Hope you guys get together.

Hey Jeff,

2 hours is about how long I travel to get to Provo for practice. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: A Good Starting Point

Postby Jeff Hansen » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:26 pm

Travis:
My e-mail address is jhansen6@sisna.com . I'm free most weekends.

Brian:
You're too kind, and, apparently you drive slow. <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

Later,
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if he keep him safe from strife:

but old age leaves him not long in peace

though spears may spare his life." - from The Havamal


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