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the "Sir William wallace sword".....

Postby JeffreyHendricks » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:57 pm

OK.....I'd like to get this straight.....the wallace sword, i've heard it called a two-handed great sword, a claymore, and a few other things...what is it? Ive also heard thae erronious claim that it weighed 80lbs. ( i want to die laughing everytime i hear that)..and other reports that it was ONLY 18lbs......i know he was supposed to be strong and all....but come on...i want to know facts!!
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Re: the "Sir William wallace sword".....

Postby Kevin Peterson » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:51 am

Here are a few links that you may find interesting.

http://swordforum.com/fall99/sword-of-william-wallace.html
http://www.tartans.com/articles/wallacewilliamsword.html

Thet both have pictures of the sword. It is 5 feet six inches long overall with a 52 inch blade and weighs 6 pounds. Hope this helps.

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Re: the "Sir William wallace sword".....

Postby Allen Johnson » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:36 am

This is one of my areas...well anything Scottish really <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
There are loads of speculation about the "Wallace Sword". I have personally been to the Wallace National Monument in Stirling, Scotland and stood inches from the sword with my nose pressed to the glass.
Wallace was doing his thing in the late 13th century... A time where swords of this legnth are extremley rare. In fact, I am unaware of any other examples we have of that time period, where we have swords of that legnth and size. There is good evidence that it was rehilted in the 16th century, which makes sense considering the very un-medieval hilt.
Thomas MacDonald has graciously posted a flury of WONDERFUL photos of up close views of the "Wallace Sword" here: http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=5457&amp;highlight=william+wallace

There is probably no one who wishes more that we had the actual sword of Scotlands National hero more than I, but I personally remain unconvinced. I think that at somepoint in the past they may have had a commemorative Wallace sword made to honor him. It began to just be known as the Wallace Sword. Over time, people began to think that the name meant that he must have owned it. I have NOTHING to base this off of but it's a somewhat plauseable theory. More so, I think, than suggesting he weilded a sword that we seem to have no other examples from the time period of. However, stranger things have happened.
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Re: the "Sir William wallace sword".....

Postby JeffreyHendricks » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:20 am

those are some good pics!!! 6lbs. is more like it...
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Re: the "Sir William wallace sword".....

Postby Allen Johnson » Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:13 pm

6lbs would also be very heavy for a sword of the late 13th century.
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Re: the "Sir William wallace sword".....

Postby Mike_McGurk » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:01 pm

I have to agree with you. In fact, you are quite right in doubting the sword's authenticity - experts have dated the sword as being some two or more centuries after his death! However, in my opinion (although I'm not an expert on doppelhanders) it was purely a ceremonial sword, as 6 lbs seem a bit heavy for a 64" sword.
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Re: the "Sir William wallace sword".....

Postby Matt Easton » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:16 am

6lbs is quite common for a sword of that size actually. There are plenty of 6-7lb 16thC two-handers in museums.

There is a 14thC processional sword of this size in Istanbul - but it has a 14thC hilt, not a 16thC hilt like this one. Also it's worth noting that this 'Wallace' sword does not have a blade cross-section at all typical of the late-13thC.

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Re: the "Sir William wallace sword".....

Postby Allen Johnson » Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:54 pm

Good call on the cross section Matt! I had noticed that before but failed to remember it when posting.
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