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Corey Roberts
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Frustrated In Missoula, Montana

Postby Corey Roberts » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:33 pm

Dear Arma members,
I have always been interested in the Medieval and Rennaisance periods ever since I was a small child. A number of years ago I happened across a copy of Mr. Clements book "Medieval Swordsmanship" Previous to having encountered this book, I had no idea that it was even possilbe to pursue Western Swordsmanship from the perspective of a true martial art. My eyes having been opened to the idea of persuing such an art, I became very passionate about the subject and strove to seek out competent instruction. This resulted in a hopeful trial with the local Missoula branch of S.C..A.. To my chagrin, I discovered that the members I encountered while affiliated with this group had little or no historically accurate knowledge about the medival period, practiced most if not all of the flawed training techniques addressed in Clements book (No leg targets, too large of shields, kneeling down etc.), and for the most part had probably never even picked up a real weapon and cut with it. I quit practicing with them shortly thereafter. Besides the S.C.A, one of the more popular Medieval "fighting" organizations here in Missoula is an entity which calls itself "Balogarth". A name which means "Battle" or something similar, in one of Tolkiens languages. It is a typical Boffer fighting organisation. Ultralight weapons, with gigantic ultralight shields, silly rules, and ignorant members. As far as I am aware organizations like the S.C.A and Balogarth are the only groups which exist in Missoula. A friend of mine who happens to be a member of Balogarth has asked me on several occasions to attend one of their practices. I have declined insofar, attempting to explain that I'm not really interested in that type of organization. However, as a result I've been called "elitist" and a "snob". I feel frustrated that there are no accurate organizations available to me, and don't know what to do. I find groups like Balogarth to be not only silly, but also aggravating in their ineptitude. I don't want to be "snobby and elitist" But I really don't want much to do with Balogarth either. Sometimes, I feel that even if I joined ARMA I'd have no one to spar or train with and wouldn't achieve much anyway. due to lack of sparring partners and support. Now, after my initial burst of expectant excitment at the prospect of learning something real I feel dejected and deflated that it all seems out of my reach.
--Scholar-Adept
Pyeongtaek
Republic of Korea

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Re: Frustrated In Missoula, Montana

Postby John_Clements » Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:22 pm

There are thousands out there who feel the same. You are certainly not alone. Our club was even set up mostly for people like youself. And the study resources now available in print and online are so far beyond what was around ten or even five years ago that you need not wander in the dark or struggle without direction. See our site's section on Getting Started.

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Re: Frustrated In Missoula, Montana

Postby Randall Pleasant » Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:25 am

Corey

Welcome to the light! <img src="/forum/images/icons/laugh.gif" alt="" /> As you have found, once you cross over you can never go back. <img src="/forum/images/icons/cool.gif" alt="" />

You are not a snob for wanting to learn actual historical swordsmanship. Snobs are those who would hold you back from learning. On the other hand, my personal view is that as you learning more and more about histocial swordsmenship in the coming years you should let yourself start feeling like an "elitist", after all there is indeed a an extremely big difference between a swordsmen/martial artist and a re-enactor/role-player.
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Re: Frustrated In Missoula, Montana

Postby Gene Tausk » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:04 am

Corey:

As already stated, there are a great number of resources here on the ARMA website, free, for you to get started. Download a few manuals, watch the videos, buy a waster and get moving. Your total initial investment (of money) should be less than $70. Your investment of time is up to you. As with everything else, the more effort you put into it, the greater the rewards.

When you have saved up enough money and have the time, attend a 1.0 workshop.

Practice in a park (if you can). People will stare, but some will come by to ask you questions. Eventually, you will get some interested people and you can start a study group. All it takes is two other interested people.

Just get going and keep at it. While I understand and sympathize with your position, as John already stated, the resources available now as opposed to 10 years ago when this organization was just getting started is like night and day. You have it easier. Take advantage of the situation.

There is no substitute for action.


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Re: Frustrated In Missoula, Montana

Postby Tim Merritt » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:50 am

Corey--I hear ya'. Had similar experience, on my own at the moment. Above three replies said it best.

I know a guy at Malmstom Air Force Base (Great Falls?) that formed a small study group with me for awhile in CA, if you're interested.
Tim

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Re: Frustrated In Missoula, Montana

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:42 pm

Get thee to a 1.0! <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Corey Roberts
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Re: Frustrated In Missoula, Montana

Postby Corey Roberts » Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:13 pm

Thank you all for your helpful and encouraging responses. In order to apply for ARMA associate membership, I have to mail in the appropriate form with the $30 fee plus $2 processing fee, correct. Anything else I should be aware of? Also, any recommendations on waster providers? thanks for the help.
--Scholar-Adept
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Re: Frustrated In Missoula, Montana

Postby Nathan Dexter » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:52 am

Hi,
I recommend making a waster, its cheap, easy, and fun.
All you need are a few simple tools.
Nathan
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Re: Frustrated In Missoula, Montana

Postby MurrayMoore » Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:29 pm

Hi Corey,
I live in a town of 18,000 people. Even with that small number, I've beebn fortunate to have at least even a few people to train with.

Keep at it. The notes you've gotten so far from others bear this up as well.

Murray
ARMA Los Alamos NM
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prepared for the terrors of the night." SOS38


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