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Spears in Fightbooks

Postby Cooper Braun » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:26 pm

I am currently starting to study spear work, and would like to find as many medieval/Renaissance references as I can. What I am looking for is any reference to spear work in pretty much any book. Plates showing spear vs. spear, spear vs anything else, short and long versions, all would be of interest. I would hopefully like to put together a catologe of all known fightbooks (including multiple books by the same author) to have spear work shown in them.
Thanks much

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Postby Greg Coffman » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:25 pm

What immediately jumps to mind is Talhoffer (1467), plates 68-71. Spear in full harness at the opening of what looks like to be a duel or judicial combat.

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Re: Spears in Fightbooks

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:49 pm

Cooper Braun wrote:I am currently starting to study spear work, and would like to find as many medieval/Renaissance references as I can. What I am looking for is any reference to spear work in pretty much any book. Plates showing spear vs. spear, spear vs anything else, short and long versions, all would be of interest. I would hopefully like to put together a catologe of all known fightbooks (including multiple books by the same author) to have spear work shown in them.
Thanks much


Fiore and Vadi have it as well. Meyer says the staff is the basis of all pole weapons and has a great staff/pike/halbard chapter. Swetnam's staff with its emphasis on thrusting is readily applicable to spear.

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Postby Alexander Pierre » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:15 am

Cooper,

You also have 6 plays in Lovino's book (I do not know its current availability in English, however there is an Italian/French version available here: http://ardamhe.free.fr/biblio/Lovino.pdf).

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Alexander

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Postby Richard Strey » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:41 am

Joachim Meyer (1570) has some stuff applicable to spear work, as well. Check out the polearm section.

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Postby Mike Cartier » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:45 pm

yes meyer's staff work i think is clearly extremely useful for use with a spear.
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Postby Jake_Norwood » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:48 pm

I would add that *any* source covering staff work will be highly useful for spears, since a spear is just a staff with a spike on one end.

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Postby Rod-Thornton » Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:20 am

Jake_Norwood wrote:I would add that *any* source covering staff work will be highly useful for spears, since a spear is just a staff with a spike on one end.

Jake


Yep. Jake's comment is supported by at least one other expert in the field. If one were to go back and re-read some portion's of Sidney Anglo's treatise on the Martial Arts of Renn. Europe, he notes how a great many of the source authors/masters originally developed a limited explanation of polearms from staff work and he later cites their opinions that most of them felt once that was learned, it automatically transitioned much technique and core competency to other polearms.....with only one notable exception...the pole-axe. For that (as a weapon great in single man dueling within the lists, but horribly poor in melee combat on a battlefield), Talhoffer was a good source.
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Postby david welch » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:37 am

Rod-Thornton wrote:with only one notable exception...the pole-axe. For that (as a weapon great in single man dueling within the lists, but horribly poor in melee combat on a battlefield), Talhoffer was a good source.


What?

The historical artwork has them all over the battlefield.

It's really nothing more than a halberd adapted more for half-swording use.
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Postby Matt Easton » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:41 am

The various Bolognese treatises cover spear, spetum, bill, halberd, pike, long pollaxe etc.
IMO these treatises (Manciolino, Marozzo etc) contain some of the most in-depth polearm work.
Fiore specifically uses a short spear (about 6 foot). The techniques don't work exactly the same with a normal length spear (8 foot or more), or at least you have to modify the positions - like Vadi.

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Postby Brian Hunt » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:56 am

Paulus Hector Mair has some very indepth info on the use of polearms, both his short and long staff would translate very well to spear, plus his plates on halberd, pole axe are well written. Unfortunatly our translation of his works may not be out now till 2008. They had a change of the guard over at Paladin and so things are being reworked on the printing schedule.

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