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Jon Wolfe
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Possible New Waster Material

Postby Jon Wolfe » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:38 pm

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this company's products, and if polycarbonate could be used to make a longsword waster?

http://www.takknife.com/index.htm
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Sal Bertucci
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Postby Sal Bertucci » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:19 pm

I don't know about polycarb, it might be too light. I don't have any idea though.

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Postby Doug Marnick » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:57 pm

This is taken from their website if anyone would like to do the math for the weight of a solid sword.

"How much does a[n escrima] stick weigh and what is the diameter?

A 28" stick weighs 10 ounces. All of our sticks are 1" in diameter. They have a .5" open core that gets the weight very close to rattan."


I would also be concerned with the flexibility along the flat and behavior in a bind.

Not that I really care because my NSA longsword arrived today! :D
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Postby Jason Taylor » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:30 am

I don't think polycarbonate would be a good choice. It's indestructible (practically) but bounces in a very odd way against other polycarbonate plastics. To give you an idea, those lightsabers with the hollow plastic tubes are polycarbonate. Although, part of this problem may be weight, which a much thicker piece might resolve.

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Benjamin Smith
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Postby Benjamin Smith » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:46 pm

I've never seen a sparring knife material which would be sufficiently stiff in sword length to work.
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Postby Jon Wolfe » Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:39 am

So, a longsword waster made of the polycarbonate is out, but a European style dagger or knife waster wouldn't be unfeasible then, would it?
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Postby JoeyNaeger » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:13 pm

I've worked with polycarbonate and nylon in non sword related projects, and polycarbonate is definitely the stiffer of the two. It's a strong material, but it's more expensive than nylon and probably wouldn't offer any real advantages.

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Postby CalebSlagle » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:30 pm

Polycarbonate is freakish in the way it absorbs shock.

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Postby John@TAK » Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:15 pm

Hello All,
This is John from TAK (the company mentioned in this thread). I saw a lot of traffic come in from your site so I thought I would give you my thoughts on the subject.
All of our production knives and swords are made from 3/8" polycarbonate. Short swords and long knives that are up to 25" in length have sufficient "stiffness" to be used in full contact situations. Between 25" and 32", there starts to be a little whip action that happens back and forth along the flats. Some people find this acceptable but I tend to shy away from making them as production models since some do not like the feel of it. Above 32", I do not recommend using polycarbonate. It is strong enough but there is a noticable "whip" effect side to side. The cutting edge stays stiff up to 60".
Our blades are primarially designed for moderate sparring with minimal protective gear or full contact with full protective gear.
On larger trainers like the tomahawks and bowies, we use a shock absorbing material in the handle base. Training on a pell, this really helps the "ringing" effect that comes back into the handle. Live (sharp) blades typically do not have this issue since the blade "sinks" into the wood. Trainers on the other hand "bounce" off the surface and the shock is much more pronounced.
The sticks are not made from polycarbonate. They are made from an extruded polymer with a 1/2" bore in the center to reduce the weight to the equivalent of rattan.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to contact me at info@TAKknife.com
Best Regards,
John


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