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Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:Actually binding vs. not-binding arguments can also be seen in european fencing. An example in the later period can be found in the manuals of Fabris and Thibault. Fabris explicitely recommends not to bind, to avoid the adversary's blade, because it restricts your freedom and gives information to the opponent. Thibault on the contrary, says that binding the sword and working from there is the basic technique that must be mastered absolutely, because the eye is more easily deceived than the hand. Yet the basics of distance and timing are equally present in both methods...
To provide another data point, in Katori Shinto Ryu the more you advance in the kata and skill, the more you bind and work from the bind.
I think there is some issue of personal preference here; some will be more visual and do not need to rely on the feel, some will like the feel better. Also, training for the bind is difficult to do alone or with an inexperienced partner. It's less immediately applicable in free-play as well, but maybe with greater benefits as the level improves.
Vincent, could you quote/link a translation of Fabris' statement about avoiding the bind,
and maybe a link to a good video that shows the Katori Shinto Ryu binding as well?
Brandon Paul Heslop wrote:
Caleb: heated? How so? I do believe we're all being more or less civil. Disagreements are bound to crop up.
CalebChow wrote:Vincent, could you quote/link a translation of Fabris' statement about avoiding the bind?
(in the translation by Tom Leoni, p.16)It is important to remember that, as you find your opponent's sword, you should never touch his blade with yours. [...] Most of the time, if the opponent's sword is not molested, he will not realize that you have found it. Whereas if you touch it, he will very likely realize what you are trying to do, and will have occasion to perform a cavazione, withdraw or change his guard in order to free his sword, and you will have lost your advantage.
Besides, if you touch the opponent's sword, you somewhat disrupt your own form: if you wanted to take advantage of a sudden tempo, you could not do so because your sword is bound by the pressure of the opponent's blade. [...]
Instead, if you keep your sword suspended in the air, you are always more ready in every occasion, your attacks are more in tempo, and you are not forced to control the opponent's blade, which is something that often causes coming to grips and makes fencing degenerate into wrestling.
I can't remember how many times I wrote "vigorously"
I have furnished you with a qoute from a master (Vadi), which explains the importance of the bind in HEMA, and yet you apparently think you know better? It's at this point that I shrug and go "Okay...that was a collossal waste of my time."
In my experience binding happens, but much like the slice, it's situational, not to be overly emphasized. This happens to be another one of my pet-peeves, people who over-emphasize the bind. This is an example of poor sword fighting that emphasizes the bind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPkX_oF3 ... re=related
And another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUwT7pBF ... re=channel
Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:Problem is, there are actual fencing traditions that over-emphasize the bind. I think the guys in your videos are part of a group that studies la Destreza, the Spanish school, and applies it to longsword.
Chris Ouellet wrote:Are there seriously examples of longsword traditions that over-emphasize the bind?
I understand that school to be rapier oriented. I'd like to learn rapier technique actually, but not to apply it to a longsword.
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