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Vadi: Beautiful disarming technique

Postby Randall Pleasant » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:08 pm

Just wanted to share some comments on a really beautiful disarming technique from Vadi that Ernie Perez and I played with during a recent practice. Of course, a beautiful technique is one that is both simple and deadly. The illustration on the bottom right of the following image shows the man on the right stepping in to disarm the adversary on the left by grabbing the sword and twisting it out of the adversary's hands. Porzio and Mele's (page 123) translated the text of is plate as: "I hit you with my sword on the head. I will quickly disarm you with my cunning." Saddly, Vadi statements do not describe how to perform the technique, leaving us to interpret only the image (if this technique is described else where in Vadi then please post the reference). During practice Ernie performed the technique by: 1) Pushing down with the left hand until extended and allowing it to continue up to head level, 2) Pulling up with the right hand until over the head, keeping the arm extended, and 3) Taking a passing step backward with his right foot. At speed and with intend the backward pass put Ernie's body weight into the pull of his right hand resulting in the sword being violently ripped from my hands. At the end of the technique Ernie was left in a half sword position over his head with the point about six inches from my face - a most enlightening moment. The only downside I see to this technique is letting go of one's own sword.

We would love to hear comments on this and other techniques demonstrated in the plates of Vadi. By the way, are any ARMA scholars currently working primarily from Vadi?

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Re: Vadi: Beautiful disarming technique

Postby Jake_Norwood » Tue Jul 15, 2003 12:28 pm

Ran-

We did a lot of work from Vadi, but I can't say "primarily." The more italian stuff I work on the more I like the German.

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Re: Vadi: Beautiful disarming technique

Postby Randall Pleasant » Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:37 pm

Jake wrote:
The more italian stuff I work on the more I like the German.
I have to totally agree. <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> At this point I am keeping my own head too far down in Ringeck and Goliath to really read and study Vadi. Ernie and I just pulled out the book at our last practice and started working from some of the images. Cool stuff but not the direction I want to go yet. I was just hoping that any ARMA scholars currently studying Vadi would share some insight on his coolness. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Vadi: Beautiful disarming technique

Postby Guest » Sat Jul 19, 2003 6:40 am

Being no long sword expert,surely I can't tell what's best. However, having received some instructions in variuos long sword styles in Hemac, my impression is that Italian ones are simpler. Luca Porzio's workshop on Vadi left me with the impression that Vadi relies much on common sense. Similarily, I find Matt Easton's directions on Fiore to be easy to grasp somehow, much more so than German stuff I was taught, or, to say it better, that good teachers tried to make me learn <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> .
Ok, maybe this is because I'm Italian, but I like Fiore and Vadi better than most Germans and we saw recently, in the Charron's thread, how some Italian styles' principles do not appear in German styles and how German styles can't be used to explain Italian ones. Once again, I'm a neophit with long swords more than with other weapons, so I can't tell what's best.
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