combination Estoc & Warhammer?

[Eddie Smith]

It looks like a narrow enough blade to not be edged, but as it is a pic off the internet I can't be sure, but as far as half-swording goes the weapon at the bottom I just found interesting. Had never seen one like it, and it looks historic by the pic, so I am assuming it is. Just wanted to share the pic and hear any thoughts. PS sorry for the link having to be on my minister's page, but I couldn't find the page I found the pic on and had to put it where I could link it as don't know if or how to upload here...lol

http://ministers.themonastery.org/album ... _id/174020

[Eddie Smith]

today there are 43 views of this thread but no comments...odd I thought someone would have something to say by now. But I hope everyone at least enjoys the pic. but if anyone does have a comment I'd love to hear it.

[Ed Rybak]

I'll comment: The link doesn't show me a picture; it just tells me I need to create an account in order to continue.

[Eddie Smith]

ah, didn't realize that...oops let me try again sorry folks!

[Eddie Smith]

this link should work
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 1424_n.jpg

and if not try...
http://www.facebook.com/ed.smith.75641297?ref=tn_tnmn

[Ed Rybak]

So it's designed to become a warhammer, when turned around and used with a "murder stroke" (if that's the right term for hitting with the other end)?

Wow, I've never seen a sword like that. I wonder whether it was originally designed that way, or whether the warhammer bits were added later.

[Kevin Reicks]

Looks more like a very long side sword or a rapier more then it does an estok. The angle is to difficult to tell on the rapier vs. tuck, but I never seen a tuck with a hand guard. Notice the steel connecting the hammer is very thin and so is the spike. Looks kinda like a modern fantasy piece too. That spike is rather pointy to have something out and unsheathed. I think there were some specific dueling sword hilts that had spikey bits a little like that, but not on civilian or war swords. The hilt construction is also odd to me. The entire hilt appears to be one piece, including the spike and hammer that make up the crossguard. I have seen anything like that before.

If I had to make a guess, I would say some kind of antique art piece or modern fantasy sword. I could swear I read that I read in the late Renaissance and the early modern period, they made swords that were more art then anything functional along the same line as parade armor. That and I think the Victorians made some oddball things mimicking medieval and Renaissance weapons.

Thank you for showing it. I like seeing stuff like this and trying to guess, I am not a museum curator or any kind of expert.

[Eddie Smith]

thanks for the comments, was a pain to get the pics up as I had lost the link but it did seem one of those odd hybrid weapons even if not used in battle or even historic just kinda had a good 'use me to murder stroke' look lol

[Vincent Le Chevalier]

This seems to be the original link (thank Google ):
http://www.fricker-historische-waffen.de/SQLDB/indexd.php?pic=624

The weapon is discussed a little bit in this thread, and this article shows some more examples.

Regards,

[Kevin Reicks]

This seems to be the original link (thank Google ):
http://www.fricker-historische-waffen.de/SQLDB/indexd.php?pic=624

The weapon is discussed a little bit in this thread, and this article shows some more examples.

Regards,

Ah, thank you. It at least places the make in the late Ren. Period, but I would still guess it was more of a very nice display piece then an actual weapon with the exception of the possibility as strictly a dueling weapon. The blade and overall construction might make it a sturdy civilian rapier, but still the spiny bit puts it off as something you want to carry around in public. Here is a nice video explaining some of the social reasons why people didn't ware spike armor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEhAKgEOszA A bit of the same philosophy could be applied walking around public with that big, long, spine that could catch on anyone or anything.

I think most of those combo weapons were never intended to see actual combat. I'm sure men loved their gadgets as much back then as they do now, and impractical gadgets are sometimes the most fun. From the same article on combos, there is this little beauty http://www.myarmoury.com/view.html?features/pic_spot_combo62.jpg