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Craig Peters
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Membership

Postby Craig Peters » Fri Aug 15, 2003 8:54 pm

Can someone please let me know if I am a member of the ARMA? And where is the members area?

Stacy, it looks as though I can succesfully post in the forum now. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Membership

Postby John_Clements » Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:59 am

Send me a private email with details on your address &amp; email and registration date.
Our roster has exploded in the last two months so we'll behind and it might still be in processing.
Do NOT send me private messages via Forum messenger. I NEVER read them. To contact me please use direct email instead.

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Re: Membership

Postby Matt Staats » Tue Aug 19, 2003 12:03 am

http://www.thearma.org/Practice/partners.htm

I keep going here to see if I've been added to the member list, but no luck so far =(

I understand being busy, but I still haven't even been added to the member E-mail list. And I think my application was received in Feb!

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Re: Membership

Postby Kelten Sivola » Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:47 am

I also have been waiting for membership comfermation, 3 months now... all e-mails i get in responce say that they are busy.... So I wait, lol

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Re: Membership

Postby Belinda_Hertz » Wed Aug 20, 2003 8:47 am

Hi,
First off, I must apologize for the delay. We have been inundated with over 100 new membership requests in the last four months. This is both wonderful and time consuming. It normally takes 4/6 weeks to process the application and fees but we have been overwhelmed lately with memberships, task on the website, the international gathering and several other major projects.

We try to give each member individual attention but due to the speed in which the size of the organization has grown lately we have been put under a bit of a strain administratively. We are experiencing a bit of growing pains but I think several new measures that we are putting in place will go along way for the future.

I know each of you have been processed. Most of the membership information to those who have been patiently waiting is going out in the mail today. Therefore, you should be receiving your membership packets in the next couple of days. You need to also please watch your email for information regarding joining the elist and the member’s area.

Again, thanks for your patience and welcome to ARMA.

Belinda

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Re: Membership

Postby Patrick Hardin » Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:51 pm

So, if our membership has increased by so much, roughly how many members worldwide does that make for us now?

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Re: Membership

Postby david welch » Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:32 pm

I am glad I read this in time to snatch our membership applications out of my mailbox <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> . Can you tell us which is easier for you and/or faster for me, a check, or paypal?

(Edit due to "our" not being spelled "out")
Thanks,
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Re: Membership

Postby Belinda_Hertz » Mon Aug 25, 2003 6:56 am

David,
We are all caught up so delays should be minimal <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> . Paypal is probably the quickest. You can email your application and we will send the link for paypal. That cuts out the mailing, processing etc. But whatever works for you is fine.

Patrick,
The numbers change so quickly these days but roughly over 350 members worldwide and growing every day <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Membership

Postby Guest » Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:34 am

Concerning membership policy: Can someone give an example of “pursuits that are contrary to (or even opposed to) the spirit and goals of ARMA”? Simply curious…

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Re: Membership

Postby Guest » Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:13 am

Well Dan, that's not what this thread is really about but FWIW, here's my personal take on this:

ARMA wants members who are actively involved and committed to exploring historical western martial arts as a true and effective modern discipline. We really aren't looking for people who just want a t shirt, a certificate, and access to our resources. Likewise we aren't looking for people who are primarily interested in living out their fantasy of medieval combat or pretending to be Frodo or Luke Skywalker. We are looking for folks who will dedicate themselves to realistic training and study within the ARMA approach and ultimately contribute back to the organization. The serious research and training of ARMA's members are what make it strong, viable, and relevant. If you are heavily involved in a group that does unrealistic mock combat for example, it seems unlikely that you would continue to do and enjoy that activity while also pursuing serious realistic training with a true martial approach. Also, we certainly wouldn't want people engaging in that kind of activity under the ARMA "banner" or promoting themselves as ARMA members when their primary "fighting" activity has little if any value as real martial arts training and reflects poorly on the high standards that we try to maintain. Of course, each membership is considered and evaluated on a case by case basis, and this would not automatically disqualify someone who was really interested and genuinely dedicated.

This, from the "About Arma" section of the website sums it up:

"The ARMA was established to promote the study of European fighting arts and arms &amp; armor of the 15th – 17th centuries. We are a first and foremost a martial arts association. The earnest approach we advocate differs substantially from much of the fluff and fantasy-oriented escapism that in the past has occupied this subject. The ARMA does not conduct costumed role-playing nor hold tournaments and sporting competitions. We also do not perform choreographed fighting stunts. Accurate investigation and interpretation of historical European fighting skills is our primary objective. Our emphasis is also on Spathology –the study of swords."

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Re: Membership

Postby Guest » Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:39 am

So then, if I understand correctly, this policy is really in place to emphasize that ARMA is a “historical western martial arts” organization, and nothing but. I also understand that ARMA would not want individuals to organize groups under the ARMA banner and employ a method that was not conducive to learning historical swordsmanship, and I certainly agree with this!

Additionally, I understand the concerns ARMA has outlined in terms of possible “conflicts” with other organizations, but as long as an individual’s ARMA study is in earnest, is it really of any consequence if a member wishes to participate in another organization: say for example, a theatrical performance group?

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Re: Membership

Postby Brian Hunt » Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:31 am

Dan,

as John Clements has said to me, situations such as you describe would be taken on a case by case basis. So long as it didn't interfer in ARMA, I would imagine (keeping in mind I have nothing to do with policy for ARMA) that such an activity would not be a problem. I will let those who know better than I verify, or tell me I am out of place on this. Many private clubs have similar policies about involvement in their organizations. Such a policy is, IMHO, set in place for the protection of the organization against certain types of malfeasance as well as being there to encourage activity in the organization one has chosen to become a member of. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Membership

Postby Guest » Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:43 am

Well, theatrical performance is not really what ARMA is about so a heavy involvement in it is another example of the type of thing that might be looked at and dicussed when reviewing an application. Again, there really is no "blanket policy" each application is handled individually as it says here (from the FAQ on this site):

"What if I pursue other interests that follow a different course than ARMA’s?
Remember that ARMA is as well as an approach and attitude as well as a system of training and study. We offer a method of instruction and practice, set an example, provide resoruces, and present our collective experience as a guide. If others follow then we are all enriched. Above all, we stress that study is ultimately up to each person. In the end, we are all still "students". However, if the majority of your time and energies is committed to pursuits that are contrary to (or even opposed to) the spirit and goals of ARMA, are motivated by noticeably different concerns and goals, how then can you honestly expect to earnestly follow (or promote) the ARMA Approach? How can you begin to acquire proficiency in its system let alone encourage and work with others doing the same? Therefore, when it comes to dedicating yourself to studying a martial art we are skeptical of both multiple-allegiances and similar activities that are clear distractions from our stated premise. But, in the end, we consider each case independently. If you want to become an ARMA member and want to still belong to, “XYZ” organization, host and promote “XYZ” events, and regularly hold “XYZ” meetings, then there would conceivably be a conflict, as it would understandably be difficult to fully commit to the ARMA system and efforts or contribute back in return."

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Re: Membership -Stompers

Postby TimSheetz » Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:10 pm

Jeanry,

You are being paranoid.

I have been reading all the posts in the last few weeks and frankly, I never thought of your group down there.

Relax.
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