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Re: video clip

Postby Lance Chan » Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:14 pm

Here are the claymore clips:
http://www.rsw.com.hk/claymore-korea.zip

Anthony, you did much better with the claymore than I expected. You really look like you feel at home with it. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: video clip

Postby Anthony Boyd » Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:28 pm

Thanks Lance.

I really responded to using the claymore. It is just a little too heavy for me to feel fully in control of it at the moment so I was very focussed on maintaining form. Also, as it is something I haven't had an opportunity to use much before, I restricted myself to a limited set of techniques.
On the first hit, the first in the clip, my opponent had to literally walk off the effects of the impact. The second hit, [not shown] was similar. After that I started to avoid the head as it was disturbing to see his eyes roll around and his face go blank.
A well timed cut caused body displacement when it made impact and could batter aside most blocks unless they were shored up with a proper stance for absorbing the impact. As I mentioned in the thread on testing/making weapons, it was very liberating...
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Re: video clip

Postby JeanryChandler » Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:36 am

Anthony, I watched these videos and I wanted to say I believe the injury could have been prevented with the addition of a thrusting tip to your sword. This is an open cell foam tip, the kind of thing they have been using in LARP groups for years. I put them on some though not all of mine, I'm sure Lance could add one without too much trouble.

Though it was only a couple of short clips, I thought you and your partner both fought well. I think your form is quite good, especially for someone who hasjust started learning WMA. I was impressed how you remained in guard and by your footwork.

I had one question, it looked like in the first bout I saw that your killing blow, though very nice and fluid, landed at a somewhat akward angle in terms of blade geometry. It is hard to be sure of course and I did not view in slow mo. Also, in the second or third bout it looked like your opponent just shifted guards to match yours and everyone started laughing, then the rest of the bout wasn't shown. What happened there?

At any rate, I hope you continue WMA training and I look forward to seeing more sparring clips. Incidentally, if you aren't 100% comfortable with the 'claymore' maybe you should try out one of Lance's smaller bastard swords for example. We have a wide range of sizes and lengths (from 54" and nearly 4 lbs to 48" and just over 2 lbs) and I tend to prefer the lighter weapons myself on most days.

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Re: video clip

Postby Lance Chan » Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:53 am

Jeanry:

There is a thrusting tip on the sword. The claymore was made more rigid than the other swords because of its longer length and per Paul Wagner's request. It's recommended that the sparring with claymore should be done with gambeson... at least the one at the wrong end of the sword. <img src="/forum/images/icons/laugh.gif" alt="" />

As about why everybody laugh, I think I understand that because the one with katana was posing a high guard at first, an aggressive guard for launching various attack. However, once the claymore is pointed at him, he felt scared and changed into a conservative middle guard. Everybody sensed his fear and laughed. :P
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Re: video clip

Postby Anthony Boyd » Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:23 am

Yes, Lance has it right.

When I shifted to cancel out his attack posture, you should be able to hear him utter, "Oh, s**t!" and shift himself. It was the involuntary profanity that got everyone chuckling. I included the scene for that alone. The rest of the bout was actually pretty interesting - but not visually. I advanced nearly the length of the dojang. He retreated and took on various wards, which I matched. I began a slow attack hoping he'd try to close. It was my intent to try my luck at redirecting the claymore's sweeping strike into a thrust.

He closed, I was able to realign the claymore and hold him at mid range, with my body just barely out of his range, falling back to keep him moving forward. The bout ended with a quick wind and thrust to his abdomen.

After that bout, he got fired up and started to close with a vengeance and got a lot of solid attacks in. This ultimately led to the leap onto my point...

Jeanry:

I was thinking the same thing about the bastard swords as soon as that night was over. I wish I had gotten one of them instead as it's just that little bit too large for me. I will enjoy the challenge of adapting to it, but it would be nice to have a tool I could use decisively without undue strain on my poor worn out joints!

Next time!

Anywat, thanks for the kind words and thanks even more so for the keen observation on such a blurry clip. I will look closer myself on the full version and let you know about the blade alignment.
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Re: video clip

Postby Anthony Boyd » Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:56 am

Just an update on Jeanry's question about the blade alignment in the first strike on the clip.

From the angle shot behind my attacker (the one in the clip) it looks to me like the blade lands a little flat, but due to distance and the vibration and blurring from impact I couldn't decide.
On the clip shot side on, (not in the clip) it looks to me now that it does land flat.
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Re: Wanted : Sparring Video

Postby Shawn Cathcart » Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:54 am

http://www.swordacademy.com/Academy-Videos/

We have three different sections on the Video page. A very small section of test cuts, sparring, and drills. The clips vary in date, meaning they've been taken over the last several years. Although we are always updating them. The clips in the drills section for example are all new.

We take a lot of video clips on a regular basis as we find its an excellent way to see what we're doing and analyze what we might be doing right or wrong. It helps to be able to see yourself sparring and doing drills because not only can you see what your doing, you also likely remember what you were trying to do in your own head and so you can pick up things you might have missed.

We also love watching other peoples clips. Its good to see how everyone else is doing and also to see on video other peoples takes on certain techniques. Its a lot easier to show than to type <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />. If you have any questions about any of the clips, or comments, constructive criticism, we're all ears. We've come a long way since we first started and are really happy with the level we've reached currently. But as always, there's lots of room for improvement.

Take a peek at the rest of the site also. There's tons of pictures on there. We try really hard to ensure that even the static pictures we take convey the speed and intent of the techniques shown.

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Re: Wanted : Sparring Video

Postby Alfred Wong » Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:31 pm

Had downloaded them all, thanks!

Haven't have the time to lok at them at the moment tho...
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Re: Wanted : Sparring Video

Postby JeanryChandler » Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:19 pm

thanks for posting the clips, can't wait to see them. What do you think of those aluminum swords for sparring?

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Re: Wanted : Sparring Video

Postby Shawn Cathcart » Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:28 pm

Well the aluminum swords we made ourselves. Mostly to ensure they were as realistic as possible. Like everything they have their pro's and con's. But in the context of how we use them they work fine. Making them ourselves allows us to round the tips a little more, making them safe and also making sure the balance and weight are somewhat close to realistic. They do have some semblance of flexibility, and so in some cases are better for sparring than wooden wasters. We have blunt steel which we use also, but even though rounded, the tips are a little to slender for our liking saftey wise. The main advantage is their cheap to make. While the steel blunts we have are of good quality and only cost us around $350 canadian, we can make the aluminums for under a $100. So if you break it...it doesn't break your wallet at the same time.

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Re: Wanted : Sparring Video

Postby JeanryChandler » Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:20 pm

Bunch of New Footage from New Orleans

This is ultimately going to include several clips from from three fencing days, Oct 30, Nov 6, and Nov 11.

http://www.iregames.com/jr/slum3.htm

So far though it is just 8 clips of Longsword vs Longsword all dating from Oct 30, with about 20 bouts total.

These are fairly small for easier download though much larger than than the real tiny mavica clips I used to post. Dont forget when you are viewing these you can maximize the image for full screen, it's a bit blurry but you can see more of what is going on IMO.

October 30 was a really wierd day for us. The weather hadn't broken yet, the heat and humidity this late in the season (Halloween!) was making everybody a little crazy.

It was a day of a lot of very intense sparring, and some bizarre outcomes.

We seem to have come to this point in our training where we are suddenly getting into a lot of binds, which never, ever used to happen. Some very long binds too in at least three occasions. Some fights are getting very long as well, though that depends on the combattants (some fights are the one or two strike, six second bouts they used to always be, but at least one lasted over a minute!)

With all the binding going on, we also had some grappling break out, including a successful throw, even though we haven't studied grappling, and one marginally successful half-sword rush. Fighting was HARD, and there were also several bell-ringing blows landed, and assorted other oddities. All in all, a good fighting day, and I think, entertaining footage.

November 6 was even more interesting in some ways, we were visited by a trained rapier fighter named Dave who lives a few hours drive away and can't normally make it to our practices. He fought several bouts with our own resident rapier fighter, Lenny, using steel schlager blades and some del tin steel sparring rapiers.

Later, Dave tried his hand at the padded weapons, which he had little experience with, and did very well, fighting briefly with longsword against Jean, then sword and buckler and sword and dagger against Jean, Skip, and Chris, and Jean again, followed by more sparring with Lenny using the steel rapiers.

Dave was the master of the thrust with any weapon he used, and forced me for one to adapt my tactics. He was so effective at curtailing my normal charge with painful, jarring stop-thrusts that I largely abandoned that approach and relied instead on distance fighting and cuts to the arm and hand, including some one handed sling cuts similar to the technique Lance Chan uses a lot. Dave, in spite of his "advanced years" (compared to us spring chickens!) is faster than most of us, but he doesn't yet have a lot of experience dealing with cuts of the type delivered by longsword or arming sword. This was the only reason I was able to pull off my modified tactic with some success.

Nov 11 was a less intense day though we did have some good matches, including some more binds and another throw, of sorts.

I'll be adding files through the next few days, meanwhile I'll be very interested and appreciative to hear any feedback of course! How does our form look, our speed, our accuracy, how true does it appear to be to 'genuine' WMA? We have been studying Lichtenaur / Ringeck primarily for longsword, with a smattering of Meyer thrown in. We are just starting to look at Tallhoffer and I.33 for sword and buckler. Marrozzo for rapier, though that is primarily Lenny's area of expertise, the rest of us being novices with that weapon.

Please, let us know what you think, and what we are doing right and wrong!

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Re: Wanted : Sparring Video

Postby Anthony Boyd » Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:24 pm

Thanks for sharing the clips Jeanry. That park you spar in looks great to me. Seoul lacks a little in that regard... unless you want to practice under the baffled eyes of a few thousand spectators.

I watched each clip three times. I don't know about you, but I find it hard to watch both fighters at the same time in a real clip [as opposed to the movies]. I have to watch each fighter separately to see if they hit or to see if they get hit.

Thanks for the expanded description of the action on the page. That sped up the process of reviewing the clips immensely.

Here are my thoughts:

Skip-Jean-C3: Long, as you said, but fun to watch. Was the grass wet?

What was happening mentally as the fight "dragged on" for you? Was stress building as the bout went on beyond normal bounds? Did that change the way you approached re-engagement?

Lenny-Chris-c1

Liked the Second bout: Nice, quick and decisive. Attacks extend beyond the current movement, and show signs of tactics over reaction.

Lenny-Jean-c5 &amp; 6: More bouts here like the second in c1. Both fighters are aware of possible counters and have a good interplay of tactics. I like the different dynamic here. Isn't it interesting how style can change drastically when facing certain opponents?

All: like to see the staggering and twitching prior to some bouts. Glad it's not just us that do that. Rather like exorcising the frivolity, eh?

Weak areas: As you indicated, the half-swording seemed experimental. I tried a little myself a few weeks ago and ended up getting well-struck on the head for my trouble. What I had wanted to do seemed clear enough, but unlike you, I couldn't get it together in real time.
In your clip, you were able to parry Skip quite easily while grounded I thought, but when it came time to close the distance, his retreat put you at a disadvantage. It was one you overcame regardless, likely because Skip couldn't/didn't try to interrupt your charge, desite his range advantage.

Thanks again for sharing the clips. I look forward to reading some knowledgeable commentary regarding them.
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Re: Wanted : Sparring Video

Postby Casper Bradak » Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:11 am

I especially liked the last clip.
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Re: Wanted : Sparring Video

Postby Lance Chan » Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:05 am

quuote:

I watched each clip three times. I don't know about you, but I find it hard to watch both fighters at the same time in a real clip [as opposed to the movies]. I have to watch each fighter separately to see if they hit or to see if they get hit

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The same holds true here. I have to concentrate on a single combatant on each run to find out the details. I do, however, re-run every round in stop frame motion a couple times instead of running the tape from the beginning to the end several times.

Jeanry: Will check the videos out later. Thanks for posting.
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Re: Wanted : Sparring Video

Postby Alfred Wong » Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:16 am

Jeanry,

By the way, can you raise the resolution up a bit? It's a bit hard to see...

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