Trying out basket hilt swords

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Allen Johnson
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Postby Allen Johnson » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:20 am

Ahhh thanks! I hadn't seen that one before. That is unique. EB Ericksons work is just amazing. My custom basket was made by him as well. One of these days I'm going to have to get one of those turchael baskets!
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Hanging Guard

Postby Joel_Neild » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:07 am

WoW! Allen and Lance what a great discussion on baskethilt's! I am currently reading Sir William Hope's "The New Method of Fencing" . He deals exclusivly with the Hanging Guard. He has many points on why it is superior for defence. Allen you seem to be very proficient in this style can you provide any insight? I am new to ARMA and I am interested in learning more (personally I am looking forward to learning more scottish style's even though there are not many books relating to this).

Technically the book I am reading is Highland Swordsmanship by MarK Rector. He compiled Macbane's "Expert Sword-Mans companion" and the perviously mentioned book by Sir William Hope.

I look forward to the continuing discussion of baskethilted swords.

Joel Neild

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Postby Allen Johnson » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:35 am

Glad to hear others are picking up the baskethilt. That book is certainly a good start. There are many manuals on the broadsword (see earlier post for a list of a few) that vary quite a bit their scope. One of the larger debates, I feel, with the baskethilt is it's earlier use by specifically the Highlanders. Since there are no native Highland manuals it is hard to judge. They have all been written by lowland Scots, Englishmen, or Highlanders that were trained by English or people from the continent. I personally feel that the manner of use by the Highlanders prior to the 1745 rebellion was different than that shown in the later regimental manuals of the 18th century. Though there are certainly arguments that go both ways.

Other things like whether or not you are using a targe will alter your approach quite a bit as well. There is also the challenge of 'why are you fighting'. There were alot of feuds between clans (both Highland and Border families). This would quite often result in raids and skirmishes. At risk of an even bloodier retaliation, many of these duels and fights were fought to 'first blood'. So using a style in which the end goal is a non lethal injury is a different beast as well. In fact, one of the broadsword manuals tells you to strike at the arms and legs...try anything but killing the man, lest it imperish your soul... or something like that. Of course fighting in battle is a different thing altogether. And thats where you will get the accounts of guys being split nearly in twain, and cuts going from head to sternum. These are obviously not the same wrist and elbow cuts shown in later 18th century manuals nor the types of blows one would use when just 'first blood' is needed.

There is still lots of research, experimentation and training needed.
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