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Postby Stacy Clifford » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:11 pm

I. Hartikainen wrote:Everybody probably agrees that blunt swords are dangerous as they are, and free-play is not free of risk of injury.


I think it's an overstatement to single out blunt swords as particularly dangerous. A wooden waster is also a club that is perfectly capable of delivering a crippling or lethal blow, and it deserves a great deal of respect and control in its own right. You can't safely go "full speed and full force" with either of them. Even as fast as you see some of us striking in ARMA sparring videos, which is pretty high speed, watch us hitting a pell or a test cutting target and you'll still see it's not the same. A training weapon is still a weapon regardless of its killing efficiency.
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Postby Randall Pleasant » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:48 pm

Joel Norman wrote:Randall,

I've seen Hugh Knight's blog before and did not know that he was anti-ARMA specifically, but I kind of figured that out by reading between the lines. I am curious, though, regarding some books that he has published, I think on Longsword, Wrestling, Dagger, and Sword-and-Buckler. Is anyone out there familiar with these books at all? Is there any value to them (good translations if not interpretations, images, etc)? The cover images are from fechtbucher, but as they say, even the devil can quote scripture for his own purposes. . . (I'm only joking there, I don't know the man personally so I make no judgements about his character).


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I all honesty I must say that I don't think any of the books by Hugh Knight will have any value for an ARMA members. My understanding is that Hugh has not done any significant translations. In regard to Hugh's interpretations it all falls way way short of the interpretations of John Clements and other ARMA's senior scholars. Hugh's real problem is that he is openly against any type of sparring because he says it leads to "bad habits". Remember that for ARMA the recreation process of these lost arts is composed of Translation, Interpretation, and Application. Application forms a feedback loop with interpretation. Without sparring Hugh has no form of application, thus he has no way to test his interpretations. Since even really bad interpretations work at slow speed he, like may others, easily mis-leads himself in regard to what is or is not a good interpretation. This is a general problem seen in groups that either don't spar or only engage in light sparring.

As with any martial art, those of us looking for insturction either in person or in writing must judge instructors based not only on their abilities to quote other people and documents but also upon their present and/or past abilities to put knowledge of that martial art into realistic martial practice. In other words, students need teachers who don't just talk the talk but who can in the present or have in the past walked the walk. Given Hugh's current physical condition I must strongly doubt his ability to walk the walk in both the present and the past. I'm very out of shape myself so I know very well its limitations, and I'm probably about 100 to 150 pounds lighter than Hugh.
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Postby Joel Norman » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:18 pm

Thanks for the information. As there are more and more people publishing material out there, not all of whom are affiliated with ARMA, there are going to be some things published which have more value than others. (Heck, this was a problem even for the authors of the works we study). I wasn't too familiar with Hugh Knight and am glad to have been warned.
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Postby Sal Bertucci » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:08 am

I'm not sure. I had a similar question about Guy Windsor, maybe it can be answered here?

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Postby Randall Pleasant » Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:35 pm

Sal

I think it is unrealistic for us to review every instructor in the WMA world and it would just lead to some type of flaming. We don't hold the interpretations of the non-ARMA instructors to be at the same level as that of ARMA instructors. Why else would we be members of ARMA if we didn't believe that? The books by most authors writing on the subject of these arts will contain some value. My purpose of singling out Hugh Knight is because he is in a class by himself, it is hard to view him as a martial artist or as offering any value to our members.
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Postby Sal Bertucci » Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:17 pm

ok, thanks.

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Postby David_Knight » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:12 pm

I'd like to humbly suggest that my blog, Ars Gladiatoris at http://www.paulushectormair.com, be included. It contains all the content from the old PHM site, but converted to a much more manageable blog format.

While the focus is, of course, on Mair, I have expanded the scope to include other topics. I also published an updated edition of my 2005 article on Mair and modern military combatives, along with a new video.

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Postby I. Hartikainen » Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:11 am

Stacy Clifford wrote:
I. Hartikainen wrote:Everybody probably agrees that blunt swords are dangerous as they are, and free-play is not free of risk of injury.


I think it's an overstatement to single out blunt swords as particularly dangerous. A wooden waster is also a club that is perfectly capable of delivering a crippling or lethal blow, and it deserves a great deal of respect and control in its own right. You can't safely go "full speed and full force" with either of them. Even as fast as you see some of us striking in ARMA sparring videos, which is pretty high speed, watch us hitting a pell or a test cutting target and you'll still see it's not the same. A training weapon is still a weapon regardless of its killing efficiency.


Hi Stacy!

Yes, you are absolutely right! This is especially the case with thrusts - a waster doesn't bend basically at all, and a fencing mask is not designed to take such impacts. Masks - and therefore necks and faces break easily.

In all free-sparring safety is first and foremost between the ears. Doing sparring where the partners are only responsible for their own health can be a good learning experience, but very dangerous and again, I wouldn't suggest anyone do it.

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Postby I. Hartikainen » Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:53 am

One more!

http://overninewaves.blogspot.com/

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Postby Mat Clarke » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:14 pm

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Postby John Farthing » Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:32 pm

This one seems to be a little more serious and of value than most of those already added to this thread. http://deremilitari.blogspot.com/

With the notable exception of David Knight's Blog which is well done indeed!
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