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[Hong jin - JI]

I gather the suit of armor very much in far country Korea.

Most Plates amour is Mild steel but.

me, Deepeeka's norman helmet, Spear cut.
It ugeuludeuled easily.

Most companies make the suit of armor as MILD STEEL including a Valentine Armouries.

Windllass steelcrafts heard the sound to teat the suit of armor with heat.

Is this true?

Which is the assessment about MIld steel suit of armor of ARMA men and?
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[SzabolcsWaldmann]

There is not much evidence for hardened steel armour in the middle-ages, that I read at oakeshott's institute homepage. The cold hammering should produce an armour that can withstand such blows and cuts; the armour you own might just be to thin! I use an armour that has 1.5 mm mild steel and nothing cuts through it (a few dents and bendings).

byez,

Szabolcs

[Matthew_Anderson]

Working metal cold does tend to "work harden" it somewhat. Some pieces requiring lots of forming, like helms, were worked hot as well, which may have hardened the metal, depending on whether it was "quenched" or left to cool slowly. However, the simple fact is that even crappy, soft, 18ga. modern reproduction armour provides good protection against most weapons. Soft metal armour will dent easily, but won't crack or be cut. The dents can easily be hammered out. If you want really tough, light armour that will withstand a lot of hard use and need little repair, spring steel is your best bet. Whether or not metal used in historical armour was ever tempered this way is hard to say, my guess would be probably not.

[robrobertson]

I don't think that they COULDN'T, They certainly knew how. I don't think that most people would've been able to pay the price. Sort of a law of diminishing returns thing. My understanding is that some WAS, but like swords, there was a lot of room for individuality , preference, and affordability.

Much like today!

Rob

[Casper Bradak]

There's not even much evidence for armour in the middle ages <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
Most of what's surviving is from the 15th century +, and the later it gets the more it is obviously tempered (but the more plate armour they wore as well). It's kind of a non issue. Getting it tempered now days will generally more than double any cost, and my ruin your armour to boot. I've know some people who've had their armour hardened, and then I've seen it crack or break when sparring, when it would've flexed or dented otherwise.

[SzabolcsWaldmann]

Hi,

Like said, the oakeshott institute has a wonderful essay about tempering / hardening armour in the middleages on the homepage.

The modern hardening? I'd say 80% of the armourers does not ewen have a fireplace in his working place <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

Then again, you may look at the prices of the almost-magician craftsman McPherson and my hungarian armourer... <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> 1:10?

[Matthew_Anderson]

Good point Casper, any "brittleness" in armour would be a bad thing. Springy, resiliant armour is good at resisting dents, but you don't want hardness at the expense of resilience.

[Shane Smith]

When I was at the White Tower's Royal Armoury recently, I noted that it seemed to be fashion for a time for the nobility to have their armoured breastplated proofed against firearms. A very large proportion of the armour examined had a large dent in the plate from the proof shot. It seems to me that hardened plate wouldn't have dented thus as I believe the hardening may well cause cracks for the reasons stated above. Not proof of un-hardened armour certainly,but something to think about maybe.

[JeanryChandler]

I have heard of this too, re: bullet proofing. There may have been a more sublte technique involved here. It was quite widespread too, enough that the difference between armor and non-hardened 'munitions' armor was widely noted in many of the accounts i have read.

I also remember hearing of tempered mail, with the same issue of the whole brittleness hardness tradeoff being brought up. Of course, this is the same dilemma faced by sword makers isn't it?

Jeanry

[Casper Bradak]

Many armours were also "proofed" by cross bow for a while before wider spread firearm use.