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Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby MurrayMoore » Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:31 pm

Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat



Pretoria - Dec 19, 2002. One of three farm attackers died during a bloody fight in which a 16-year-old boy armed with a cricket bat and a man armed with a spade defended the lives of women and children against three attackers armed with knives and crowbars.

Ernest Moeketsi (33), one of the attackers, died of his injuries in the kitchen on the farm Kareepoort near Brits in North West. He had been released earlier in the week from a local prison where he was serving time for housebreaking.

Willem Harmse (41), who is being treated for multiple injuries in the Ga-Rankuwa hospital outside Pretoria, said the house was a "bloodbath".

Harmse has several cuts to his head and hands. Three fingers on his right hand and two fingers on his left hand were crushed in the fight.

"I was saved by God's grace and that 16-year-old boy," he said.

Harmse and his family are temporarily living with his brother-in-law Willem Lombard and his family on the farm. Lombard was not at home at the time of the attack.

Lombard's wife Rosemary (38) is in stable condition in Brits Provincial Hospital, where she is being treated for injuries to her head.

Harmse's wife Selma (40) and their children Chantelle (4) and Charlene (18), and the 16-year-old boy were treated for cuts and bruises.

Willie Lombard (10) and his sisters Jessica (14) and Cynthia (15) were treated for shock.

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Harmse said the attackers, armed with knives and crowbars, tied up two workers. They forced one of them to accompany them to the house, where they gained entrance by breaking the window to Mrs Lombard's bedroom.

Rosemary Lombard put up a struggle when the men shook her. They went to the room next door where Tollie Lombard, her uncle, was sleeping. Harmse said: "Oom Tollie defended himself with a pillow and a piece of tin. The noise woke up the rest of us."

The attackers took on Harmse and the 16-year-old boy in the lounge. The boy may not be identified.

Harmse said: "We only had bar stools with which to defend ourselves."

One "hell of a fight" ensued, during which one of the attackers fetched spades from outside the kitchen door. With these, the attackers hit the bar stools from their hands, Harmse said.

The boy slipped into a room to fetch a cricket bat, with which he hit Moeketsi. Apparently Moeketsi dropped the spade. Harmse went berserk, he said, when he saw his wife lying on the floor and heard his child crying. "I thought I would go crazy if something happened to my family. I hit the man with a spade."

The boy "is very fond" of Harmse's wife and daughters, Harmse said. "His hands are not tied to his body either."

The other two attackers ran away.
Moeketsi was dead by the time police and an ambulance arrived.

The attack was the fourth in two months on the farm. The family's five dogs were recently poisoned.Moeketsi had been released earlier from the Losperfontein Prison outside Brits where he was serving a sentence for housebreaking.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,1113,2-7-1442_1299934,00.html
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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby MurrayMoore » Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:32 pm

A gruesome reminder that our training is not unrealistic in its possible use.
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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby TimSheetz » Fri Dec 20, 2002 5:23 pm

4 times in two months?

I seriously think that starting a "fire Watch" in the house would be a good idea. Early warning could have caught these guys coming in the window. Maybe would have gotten another one or two of them. Batter's up!
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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby Gene Tausk » Fri Dec 20, 2002 5:50 pm

BAN ALL CRICKET BATS!

Clearly this is another example of what occurs when individuals are allowed to own cricket bats. I urge the immediate passage of legislation that will outlaw cricket bats from private ownership.

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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby Tony_Indurante » Fri Dec 20, 2002 7:31 pm

And then start a class action suit to sue all the cricket bat manufacturers for not putting warning labels on them.
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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby scott adair » Sat Dec 21, 2002 11:10 am

Gene,

That's an excellent idea. I think we should round up all firearms and melt them down to make a monument to Ted Kennedy while we are at it! <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> . Just wait, some nut will try to ban cricket bats.

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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby Lance Chan » Sat Dec 21, 2002 11:22 am

You sure we should ban the bat, not the pillow, knives and crowbar? :P
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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby Randall Pleasant » Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:50 pm

Back on the orginial topic:

This is indeed a clear example of why people need to study a serious martial art like WMA. What is of <u>real significance</u> in this example is that you might have to make do with whatever is at hand as a weapon. Might we say that knowning how to use a pole arm translates into knowing how to use a shovel? Knowing how to use a dagger translates into knowing how to use a sharp peice of metal or wood?
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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby Matt Easton » Sat Dec 21, 2002 2:14 pm

I hope the boy gets some kind of award.

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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby Gene Tausk » Sat Dec 21, 2002 3:37 pm

....be careful of for what you wish.....I know plenty of individuals...all of them lawyer colleagues of mine, who think that rounding up guns and melting them down is a great idea. When I tell them what I do in my spare time, they add that collecting swords and other hand-to-hand combat weapons is not such a bad idea either....


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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby MurrayMoore » Sun Dec 22, 2002 5:38 pm

Good comment, Ran.

I did like the TKD stuff I did years ago, but it was very limited in scope: no weapons and no grappling.

I literally felt "bare" if I thought I'd have a stick coming at me, but felt even more bare at the thought of picking up a stick on my own.

TKD was great in its niche, but limiting outside of it, which is why I think several types of "sparring" is good.
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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby George Turner » Wed Dec 25, 2002 5:56 pm

Sounds to me like those farmers need to add a turret to their house, and mount a machine gun. Maybe some razor wire and searchlights to boot. If farmers weren't so attached to their land I'm sure they'd have moved by now. It's weird to think of a farm as being located in a "bad neighborhood". Maybe they should rig up a sprinkler system to spray pepper-gas. Too bad the Tate family (Charles Manson's victims) didn't have stacks of weapons piled around. Sometimes those wall-hangers might be handier than a fire-axe. Speaking of which, in the era before police and telephones, maybe those swords were hanging on the wall for a very good reason. Would you reach back, grab it, and already be in Zornhau, or take it down and go directly to half-sword? <img src="/forum/images/icons/confused.gif" alt="" />

BTW: If lawyers can get rid of the guns, couldn't we also reinstitute trial by combat? I bet my lawyer can beat up your lawyer, so sue me! We'll sit back and watch them fight to the death on Court TV! It would be much more entertaining than watching wrestling or cockfighting, and we can always hope that both sides lose. It would provide a good revenue stream for the networks, while also helping to keep the lawyer population in check. It really would be more humane than letting the lawyer population get so large that most of them starve during a really hard winter, when plaintiffs decide to stay home by the fire instead of braving the deep snow to go to the courthouse to file a suit. <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby Guest » Thu Dec 26, 2002 6:09 pm

Could we maybe keep politics out of this? They aren't really the issue, nor is anyone's opinion of lawyers.

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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby Gene Tausk » Thu Dec 26, 2002 9:51 pm

This thread is now closed. Any further additions will be deleted. We are now about as off-topic as we can get.

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Re: Boy kills farm attacker with cricket bat

Postby Jim Charles » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:48 am

Randall Pleasant wrote:Back on the orginial topic:

This is indeed a clear example of why people need to study a serious martial art like WMA. What is of <u>real significance</u> in this example is that you might have to make do with whatever is at hand as a weapon. Might we say that knowning how to use a pole arm translates into knowing how to use a shovel? Knowing how to use a dagger translates into knowing how to use a sharp peice of metal or wood?


I saw a posting this morning about using baseball bats or swords for self defense and this really plays up what I said of that.
Basically, any weapon that can still be used to dispatch a violent aggressor is NEVER obsolte, no matter how badly the 'technology pimps' try to sell you on that idea.
A well trained man with a good sword and cool head will do better in an encounter with a thug armed with tactical tupperware and limited skill or training.
And I would rather have a good sword than a cheaply made plastic and zinc .380 auto.
Remember tactics are what you DO, not what you buy. Painting something matte black and calling it tactical does NOT make it any more effective in close quarters combat.
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