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New Test Cutting Videos

Postby John_Clements » Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:06 pm

A new page of 38 test cutting video clips is now online.
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Re: New Test Cutting Videos

Postby George Turner » Sat Jan 18, 2003 11:24 am

Wow! Some of them show indoor test cutting! Please post the outtakes, if any! I've done a bit of this, and somehow always have something interesting happen to a ceiling fan, wall, or something. It seems there's always a lamp that somehow moves over into the path of my swing! I won't even go into the pitfalls of playing with a pole-arm in a small room. I have a friend who's father picked up his super-heavy wall hanger and immediately destroyed an expensive coffee table.

Maybe this is why castles are built to be childproof, with stone walls and the fragile stuff locked in the keep. Too many guys running around banging into things... Especially when they get spooked and start throwing their partisans at ghosts. No wonder their table manners are described as crude. Would you let anyone with an ale and a sword within 20 feet of your china cabinet? Would you even bother to own any china, or would you stay with impact resistant metal tableware? When we hear of parleys and meetings where everyone had to leave their weapons at the door, was it really to prevent an outbreak of fighting, or was it just to protect the furniture?

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Postby Shane Smith » Sat Jan 18, 2003 3:37 pm

...Ah yes.The dreaded smiting of the ceiling fan.I've been there! <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: New Test Cutting Videos

Postby Jared L. Cass » Sun Jan 19, 2003 11:29 am

You make a good point, George.

Fighting inside a castle probably was a bit easier that training inside one of our modern homes/appartments.

That said, I think training in living space and hallways is a great way to develope a feel of distance for our weapons of choice. And to help us train awareness. It's one thing to train outdoors or at a place with high ceilings. Totally another to have to worry about obstacles and tight spaces.

It's also alot of fun! There are walls to pin weapons against, throw opponents into, ect. Just don't tell my landlord! <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Re: New Test Cutting Videos

Postby Jim Nickles » Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:00 am

Ya'll forgive my computer illiteracy, this is the only forum I ever been on. I often wondered where the feminine exclaimation " get that &amp;%$* thing out of the house THIS instant !" started. I'll bet thats where it came from.Indoor Test-cutting.Yup, Yup, and shortly thereafter they learned to swing them skillets.Good practice for attackin' and defending against a shield, tho.
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Re: New Test Cutting Videos

Postby Randall Pleasant » Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:52 am

Fighting inside a castle... I think training in living space and hallways is a great way to develop a feel of distance for our weapons of choice... There are walls to pin weapons against, throw opponents into, etc.


There use to be some pictures on the ARMA site of John and the Houston group practicing indoor tactics. Although I have not really trained with the large two hander sword from the little that I have played with George Doby's two hander waster I think it would be a mother of a weapon in a hallway due to its thrusting and half-sword cutting abilities. Of course, I would want a short sword, a dagger, and a buckler on my belt.
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Re: New Test Cutting Videos

Postby Jamie Fellrath » Wed Jan 22, 2003 12:23 pm

Pardon a newbie's post, but you guys sure must dine well after conducting these tests... <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: New Test Cutting Videos

Postby Jared L. Cass » Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:43 pm

Agreed Randall! In a tight place, give me a dagger or shortsword anytime! Slip, duck, weave, close, stab. Ain't it a challange <img src="/forum/images/icons/cool.gif" alt="" /> I'll have to find the pictures you were talking about...they sound great!

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Re: New Test Cutting Videos

Postby TimSheetz » Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:55 pm

I think a mace and or hammer would serve well too.. Mobility would limited so they can't avoid as well in a hallway. Add a small shield and you'd be set up nicely I think.

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Re: New Test Cutting Videos

Postby George Turner » Thu Jan 23, 2003 1:47 am

Hi Jamie,

Test cutting creates a conflict. One the one hand, you can test-cut tender sections of meat, that have been hung and aged and all that, but you're testing tenderized cuts. The meal is great, but the data is possibly skewed. On the other hand, you can find the oldest, toughest, and most untenderized piece of meat you can find, and test on that. The results will be better, but afterword you'll have to do a long spell of mace or warhammer testing to make the stuff edible.

I've been on the lookout for foreshanks to match up with forearms. These are hard to find, because it's basically scrap, although the meat is turned into sausage and dog-food. After any tests, there'll be bone fragments embedded in the meat, so you wouldn't want to give it to your pets. I guess we could cook it like it was a rib, but I haven't tried this yet. I imagine that some of the test cut meats will end up like those big jars of pickled pig's feet - interesting, but not very apetizing. Plus the meat usually gets knocked to the ground.

Then again, this may be the kind of treatment that makes those Vienna sausages taste so good. I must one day visit Austria to see where they make those amazingly tasty little snackables! How can pancreus and spleen have such amazing flavor? Of course, I'm also addicted to U.S. military M.R.E.'s, and [censored] them whenever I can. I'm glad the dried pork patty is gone, but I also miss the ham slice. It's amazing how you don't develop a hatred of a particular food when you don't have to [censored] it in a cold, drizzly rainy, muddy field. I wonder if rugby players feel this way?

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Re: New Test Cutting Videos

Postby Jamie Fellrath » Thu Jan 23, 2003 12:13 pm

I appreciate the response, though I have to admit I wasn't expecting one in this case! <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

I have read, though, that some traditional practicioners of the samurai sword have a technique where they bind together certain kinds of grasses or straw and then soak them in water for a period of time, and that a bundle of this sort with a certain thickness is a good approximation for the human neck (gulp!).

Obviously this doesn't create quite the same sort of meal for you afterward, but it might be cheaper in the long run. I suppose these sorts of tests aren't done too frequently, though.
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Re: New Test Cutting Videos

Postby Jamie Fellrath » Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:01 pm

Too funny... this sounds like what I read about. Guess I should have read all the threads first. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

http://www.thearma.org/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=openresearch&amp;Number=621&amp;page=2&amp;view=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=1&amp;vc=1
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Re: New Test Cutting Videos

Postby Randall Pleasant » Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:30 pm

Tim

I was thinking in terms of a low narrow hall way. In such as space I would think that a two hander, such as in the picture below, would be much better than a mace or hammer since a two hander sword allows very powerful thrusts and tip cuts from the half sword. I would not think that a mace or hammer would be very effective in a space in which you cannot swing them. This is testable - might we run and play in Todd's house soon? <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: New Test Cutting Videos

Postby TimSheetz » Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:56 pm

Hi Randall,

Interesting points (ha!), but a 24 inch long mace (not the long spiked ones in the picture you sent) would be pretty easy to swing. Now I also envisioned a shield or buckler to go with it.

The problem with that long thrusting sword is that you get one shot. After it misses or is deflected you can pin it to the wall with your shield and then begin crushing bits off of your opponent.

Using footwork and a quick simultaneous action I think you could get that mace (or hammer) going pretty fast and it would be tons more maneuverable than any long weapon.

We definitely need to try this in Todd's house.:-)

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