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Some Specific Questions from a New Beginner

Postby danielcarcich » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:13 pm

I've perused the website and the forum quite a bit and have been unable to find details pertaining to terms such as "tiprogression" and "8-cut/16-cut exercise".

A couple of my friends and I have begun the Longsword "path". We have workable wasters, padding, and masks such that free-play works fine. The part that I have been largely unable to find details about is drilling. I have seen a couple of practice session drills and ideas (mostly footwork stuff) written out in the forums but for the most part people seem to just be referencing a method I can't find. Is this information exclusive to ARMA members only?

If anyone could point me in the right direction I'd greatly appreciate it :) Thanks!

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Postby Stacy Clifford » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:35 pm

Tiprogression is simply the practice of transitioning smoothly and efficiently from one ward (or guard) to the next. You should be able to move from any ward to any other ward with a minimum of wasted movement. Always move your feet when changing wards, there's nothing fancy about it and you can figure it out on your own with a bit of work.

The 8-cut and 16-cut drills are drills that we reserve for members and those who attend our practices, so that naturally we give you some incentive to join, but the gist is that you want to practice cutting along all 8 lines of the segno with either edge. There are multiple ways to do this (we change them every once in a while), and you can make up your own, but it is something better learned through instruction.
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Postby danielcarcich » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:50 pm

Thanks for the quick response! One more semester and I'll definitely start thinking about membership.

The "about ARMA" parts of the site are rather vague as to what is offered to members practically for learning (that isn't offered for free already). Shall I assume there is plenty to keep a beginner rolling for a while until an in-person instruction can be arranged?

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Postby Stacy Clifford » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:25 am

Yes, we have plenty of articles and videos on training in our member's area to get you started and a private e-list where you can ask questions.
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Postby Sal Bertucci » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:58 pm

Why the wait?

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Postby danielcarcich » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:04 pm

I get a year and I won't be able to make full use of it for the first four months? Doesn't make too much sense... I'm very poor :(

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Postby Sal Bertucci » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:17 pm

Why wouldn't you be able to use it for the first 4 months? :?:

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Postby danielcarcich » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:50 pm

I work and am a full-time music student (practice 6+ hours a day)... not a lot of spare time for practicing with swords just at the moment. Gotta wait for the dust to settle.

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Postby Sal Bertucci » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:43 pm

ahhhhhhh, regrettable, but whatever floats your boat. I hope to see you on the Elist in Jan.

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Postby Shane Smith » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:32 am

danielcarcich wrote:I work and am a full-time music student (practice 6+ hours a day)... not a lot of spare time for practicing with swords just at the moment. Gotta wait for the dust to settle.


Good work can be done in even 20 minutes a day. 20 minutes a day, every day, is better than 5 hours one day a week. There's always time to train if you really want to find it. :wink:
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Postby danielcarcich » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:17 am

My old piano teacher used to say that, it's always proven to be true.

Another factor is that I have some people here with me in Rochester who are also interested, but I don't think I can get them to go in for membership either quite yet. I'm definitely thinking about it though. It'd be ideal if we could get a study group started here... gotta find a solid core/base of people first that are that into it though.

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Postby Sal Bertucci » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:53 am

I disagree. Solo work can be very difficult, but also rewarding. (Speaking from experience) I can think of a few reasons why you should join anyway. 1.) Increased motivation - Once you've paid for membership, you're going to have more motivation to go out and practice more. Even if it is only for 10min whenever you can. 2.) Increased Credibility - I would start out with an ARMA uniform (red and black), and start working on the cutting drills. This will give you a good base to start performing your cuts etc. 3.) You will be able to use the ARMA for networking purposes, and that will help you gain more members.

Are you and your friends going to practice during the semester anway? If so you might as well do it the "ARMA way". The cost of membership is less than any new video game, and keeps you healthy too! (Shameless plug from the Nutritionist) If you do join, and they don't, be uncompromising on a few points. One thing that I always did was that I would talk about/demonstrate anything that was in the free section of our website or anything that had been published. I also let people know up front that there were somethings that I won't teach them b/c they are "member's privliges". I had to pay my dues for them, so I don't think that it's fair that someone else gets it for free. I'll be frank, you might lose people over this issue (speaking from experience), but it's worth it in the long run.

Anyway, that's my $2. As you can see I'm opinionated on the issue, but that's b/c I did it that way, and know it can be done. In the end you have to make your own decision on the matter. Either way, I hope to see you on the Elist. (Sooner rather than Later :wink: )

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Postby danielcarcich » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:42 am

Sal,

You definitely make a valid argument. I'm going to see if I can find a way to budget that money in from somewhere.

I do have another question for all of you. I made a post not that long ago regarding a dowel practice waster construct I made to avoid having to drop the money for an "official" waster from one of the vendors yet.

http://www.thearma.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23966

I was just looking at the Northsiders (Houston) Study Group's website and they suggest that the length of your sword changes with the height of the person. What I am using currently fits under the "good" category (a bit short from their diagram), as I am 6'5" tall. What would be appropriate dimensions for me with a sword? This applies to the dowel swords I can make easily and for when I purchase an actual waster.

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Postby Rod-Thornton » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:33 pm

Shane Smith wrote:
danielcarcich wrote:I work and am a full-time music student (practice 6+ hours a day)... not a lot of spare time for practicing with swords just at the moment. Gotta wait for the dust to settle.


Good work can be done in even 20 minutes a day. 20 minutes a day, every day, is better than 5 hours one day a week. There's always time to train if you really want to find it. :wink:


I'm going to agree with this. We all have 24 hrs a day and the time available is different for each of us.....simply put, as we prioritize it. I can't help but notice that you appear to have joined the forum back in 2004....so you are going to start thinking about joining next year? Just put aside $1 a day for the next 2 months....and once you join you will learn in the members' area of daily practice routines of only 10 minutes a day (for members on the fly).

As you see by the public areas, the support structure and willingness of arma members to share and help out is there and willing...but only as willing as you are in pursuing the art.

And if you are ever in New England...don't worry about those practice partners you haven't got yet...you can come down and train with me anytime. (I'm a member of the Virginia Beach group, but up North for a spell in RI)...
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Postby danielcarcich » Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:16 am

Another question for all of you as I consider membership --

I am not pointing fingers, as much as trying to understand the take of those still in ARMA, specifically this:

http://paulushectormair.blogspot.com/20 ... xodus.html

and
http://paulushectormair.blogspot.com/se ... 20Politics

There are a lot of accusations there, some of which are relevant to me and some of which aren't. Regardless, before I associate myself with an organization I would really like to hear the views of those who did NOT leave, and why they didn't. The posts from the ex-arma people are riddled with bitterness, which could easily account for possible exaggeration.

Thanks again for being so helpful thus far!

ps the joining the forum in 2004 was due to a project i was undertaking to make my own padded sparring swords... i was not really into undertaking a discipline at the time. i just liked swords. it has since progressed quite a bit, obviously ;)


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