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Types of Swords

Postby hannibal » Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:05 pm

What are the different types of swords and the styles associated with them?

I know there are probably hundreds, if not thousands if one were to be specific. I am more interested in dividing the swords into general categories designated by features such as length, two handed or one handed, thrusting, cutting etc. For example: claymore would fit into the long two handed sword category, and the cutlass into the short curved sword (don't know the actually term).

I am also interested in putting these into historical context, where did this type of sword originate and with what fighting style was it wielded (fighting style as in type of martial art). It is likely that Scotsman used a claymore long sword different than a viking used his long sword but to put things in general terms what would be the overall fighting style one would use with this type of sword?

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Postby william_cain_iii » Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:16 pm

Hannibal, you're probably gonna get a message telling you to change your username to your real life first and last name.

Once you swing that, you'll probably get a host of answers.

Just speaking on longswords, there was a central art of the longsword practiced across europe that had regional variations but a core focus. Like, the earlier type xiia and xiiia swords (which includes the big claymores) fight in a very similar style to the later swords like the type XVa and XVIIIa, but with variations because of the particular blade characteristics.

Similarly, Italian, English, and German longsword are fundamentally the same art (just look at the guards porta ferra/alber/boar, falconi/vom tag/hawk, etc), with minor stylistic differences.

A more concrete example. Krumphau is a german cut that involves stepping out to the right of an enemy while you cut left to knock down his swords or cut at his hands/arms. Fiore describes a similar cut, but instead of stepping away you turn into the cut. Same principle, minor variation.

As for types of swords? Man, that's a whole shebang. It really can't be discussed concisely in a forum.

You have double edged swords, backswords, thrusting swords, cuting swords, swords that can do both, straight swords, curved swords...you have Messer, you have Falchion. Every Messer IS a falchion, but not every falchion is a messer, to make things even harder to figure out.
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Postby william_cain_iii » Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:33 pm

Just a quick set of broad categories:

Longswords - generally speaking, a medieval/renaissance period sword of two edges, with a blade of 3+ feet and a grip large enough that it was intended for two handed use but could be used for specific one handed techniques. encompasses the broad category of weapons such as the type XIIa and XIIIa 'great swords of war' and later more defined weapons such as the 'true' longswords.

Great Sword: http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/alb ... -xiiia.htm

Long Swords:
http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/alb ... ck-xva.htm

http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/alb ... xviiib.htm

Backswords - another broad weapon type. Basically defined as a single-edged blade, predominantly slashing though with certain thrusting characteristics. So called because the 'back' of the weapon was a thick, rigid portion tapering down to the frontal edge.

This category includes weapons of either straight blades such as certain basket-hilted claymores/schiavona and curving weapons such as the cutlass, saber, or katana. Indeed, most curving blades with the edge on the outside of the curve can loosely be termed 'sabers' as well.

Rapiers/Side swords - broad (seeing a pattern here?) category of weapons again. Essentially a development of largely civilian swords that evolved out of the 'arming' or knightly sword. Single-handed, often with a complex hilt ranging from a simple nagel side ring to protect the hand to a full on spanish cup hilt.

In essence, the distinction is between 'true' rapiers that were very slender weapons with less of a cutting edge, designed for the long distance lunge into someone's guts, and side swords which tend to have a broader blade and be suited to the cut a la George Silver's preferences. Note that the distinction is largely a modern one, back then most people simply called it "a sword."

Rapier:
http://www.albion-swords.com/images/swo ... apier2.jpg

Side Sword/Cut and Thrust sword:
http://www.albion-swords.com/images/swo ... ro/c&t.jpg

as for the 'style' of the combat used with these, see George Silver for the sidesword, also Fabris. For rapier, I cant recommend anything higher than Cappo Ferro, but be warned as the examples show very naked men.


From there you have the 'true' two handed swords (getting confused yet?), such as the portugese montante, the italian spadone due mane (sword in two hands), and the german zweihander. These have fewer treatises that I'm aware of compared to the -massive- corpus of works on longsword. However, there are a few manuals that illustrate such weapons. Their broad technique was for the control of large bodies of men, such as the employment of the Zweihander troops (called doppelsoldner) against pikemen for the purpose of line-breaking.

Hope this clears up a few things about the broad weapon types.
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Postby william_cain_iii » Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:38 pm

Places to research each:

Longswords -
Italian (Fiore de Liberi is the definitive master here)
German (Sigmund Ringeck, Von Danzig, Joachim Meyer)
English (Cottonian, Harleian, Ledall)

Rapier -
Cappo Ferro, George Sweatnam

Side Sword -
Marozzo, George Silver

Two Handed Swords -
Memorial for the Practice of the Montante

Note that this is only a handful of manuals. I don't know for example any specific places to look up saber fighting, or the practice of the katana. However, many practices can be assumed to overlap between techniques.
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Re: Types of Swords

Postby Gene Tausk » Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:27 pm

hannibal wrote:What are the different types of swords and the styles associated with them?

I know there are probably hundreds, if not thousands if one were to be specific. I am more interested in dividing the swords into general categories designated by features such as length, two handed or one handed, thrusting, cutting etc. For example: claymore would fit into the long two handed sword category, and the cutlass into the short curved sword (don't know the actually term).

I am also interested in putting these into historical context, where did this type of sword originate and with what fighting style was it wielded (fighting style as in type of martial art). It is likely that Scotsman used a claymore long sword different than a viking used his long sword but to put things in general terms what would be the overall fighting style one would use with this type of sword?


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