Am I Too Old?

For Historical European Fighting Arts, Weaponry, & Armor

Moderators: Webmaster, Stacy Clifford

Tony Arnold
Posts: 3
Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:09 am
Location: Macon, GA

Am I Too Old?

Postby Tony Arnold » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:18 am

Seriously thinking about joining ARMA, but having read "Who we are looking for" I think I satisfy all the requirements but I'm not as fit or as agile as I was a few years ago.

I'm 50, and although I'm of above average fitness (for my age!), and not overweight or anything, I'm not sure I could compete with a twenty-something!

Should I stay an interested observer? Am I wasting my time (and money)?

Roger Norling
Posts: 140
Joined: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:57 am
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden

Postby Roger Norling » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:35 am

Inventiveness, ability to mask your intentions, good distance handling, technical knowledge, calmness, controlled agressiveness, good technique and much more are not so much related to age or physical capacity, but rather dedication and experience.

An experienced 50 year old fighter certainly is a match for a less experienced younger fencer. But, given that both have equal experience and stamina, age can be a hinder, since joints start to protest etc.

It also depends on how you look at it. In a real self-defense situation with weapon in hand it might be over with one hit and therefore stamina can be less relevant. In a sportive context, with counting hits over a certain period of time, this might be different.

I can tell you this though, my situational awareness and reflexes have improved a lot due to longsword training. It is apparent in ridiculous situations like always catching things that fall from shelves and similar. There is a lot more room for improving ourselves than we tend to think, even in less apparent aspects.

Me, I am 42 and I have had knee surgery and I do well enough against fencers half my age, I think. Still, when they are my age they will be wicked if they keep it up. I look forward to watching amazing swordfights in the World Championships on TV, when I am old and retire... :)
Quarterstaff instructor
Gothenburg Free Fencers Guild
http://www.gffg.se

Member of MFFG
http://www.freifechter.com

Member of HEMAC
http://www.hemac.org

HROARR
http://www.hroarr.com

User avatar
Stacy Clifford
Posts: 1126
Joined: Fri May 14, 2004 11:51 am
Location: Houston, TX
Contact:

Postby Stacy Clifford » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:14 pm

As long as you're dedicated, you're never too old. I've known a number of members over 50 and they are often valuable as training partners for the greater level of patience and insight they can bring, and Roger's observations about experience and the benefits of training are spot on as well (I know what he means about catching falling objects!). Beating other people in sparring matches is only a part of what we want to achieve - there is still a lot of work to be done reconstructing these forgotten arts and representing them to a public that knows little about them, so there is plenty of room for people of any age to contribute. Don't let it stop you, check out our Practice Partners page and if there's a group near you, contact them and visit them when you can and take it from there. If not, apply and ask lots of questions, you'll get plenty of help here.
0==[>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Stacy Clifford
Free-Scholar
ARMA Houston, TX

User avatar
Sal Bertucci
Posts: 591
Joined: Fri May 02, 2008 8:04 pm
Location: Denver area, CO

Postby Sal Bertucci » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:31 pm

Never to old!

User avatar
Jaron Bernstein
Posts: 1108
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:58 am

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:53 am

I agree. Fiore and von Auerswald wrote their books when they were senior citizens. Some of the more formidable fighters I have met are over 40.

Roger Norling
Posts: 140
Joined: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:57 am
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden

Postby Roger Norling » Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:58 am

It also depends on what you want out of this. Me, I really enjoy studying the material and trying to figure out how it all connects. There is still much work to do and our interpretations of even basic stuff like the displacing cuts (Versetzen) can be questioned and reinterpreted.

I would actually think a certain life experience may be an advantage in studying the material, so again dedication and how much you are willing to spend in terms of time and focus will help tip the balance more in your favour.
Quarterstaff instructor
Gothenburg Free Fencers Guild
http://www.gffg.se

Member of MFFG
http://www.freifechter.com

Member of HEMAC
http://www.hemac.org

HROARR
http://www.hroarr.com

Tony Arnold
Posts: 3
Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:09 am
Location: Macon, GA

Postby Tony Arnold » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:15 am

Thank you for your replies everyone, I'd like to expand a bit if I may.

Some things I'm not worried about are dedication and study, I too find the material fascinating (or I wouldn't be here). The very fact that this is recognized as a martial art is exciting to me, and regardless of whether I join The ARMA I will continue to use their site to learn all I can.

I'm absolutely certain that many members over 50 are exceptional fighters, but when did they start their journey? How would it feel to be starting out at 50?

No offence Stacy but I wouldn't want to join to be "a valuable training partner". I would rather sit it out, but I really appreciate your honest reply, thank you again.

Just an idea, perhaps there should be a membership level dedicated just to the study and interpretation of the material for those of us whose bodies are probably not up to the rigors of fighting?

Thanks again everyone.

Roger Norling
Posts: 140
Joined: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:57 am
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden

Postby Roger Norling » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:30 am

Well. You have almost 25 years to go, to get in the shape Ernestine Shepherd is. :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392076/Ernestine-Shepherd-Guinness-oldest-female-bodybuilder-74.html

Amazing things can be done if you put your soul into it.

Again, experience is important since it is the root for everything else. Some 25 year olds will already have say five years of experience. Some 30+ perhaps even more, but few have really practiced for more than 7-8 years. And there will always be new cannon fodder if you want to be sure to be able to win now and then. ;)

It is not necessarily much different for a 50 year old in good shape compared to a 20 year old coming straight from his computer and World of Warcraft... The joints can be an issue, but other things speak for you.

But, to be frank, I wouldn't expect any of us to ever rank amongst the top fighters of the world, since they already have a good head start and are at least as dedicated. Probably more. And that doesn't bother me either.

Get yourself a sparring partner or join a club. Buy some books and/or videos and just start practicing. It's damn fun and you won't regret it.
Quarterstaff instructor
Gothenburg Free Fencers Guild
http://www.gffg.se

Member of MFFG
http://www.freifechter.com

Member of HEMAC
http://www.hemac.org

HROARR
http://www.hroarr.com

User avatar
John Farthing
Posts: 179
Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:09 pm
Location: ARMA Middle Tennessee
Contact:

Postby John Farthing » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:02 am

Here are what some of the Masters of old say (these are just a few examples, there are others):

“if thou live (til) thou art olde, yet thou mayest learne still” and “never leave studying and practicing till you come to the ground” -Joseph Swetnam, 1617


“It is better, that young men should be excused for not having entirely mastered the martial art than that they should be reproached in old age for never having known it.” -Christine de Pisan, 1410


In addition to all the great advice given already, you may wish to take a moment to read the following article by ARMA director John Clements!

http://www.thearma.org/essays/Fencing_Over_40.htm
-John Farthing, Free Scholar
ARMA Deputy Director

User avatar
Stacy Clifford
Posts: 1126
Joined: Fri May 14, 2004 11:51 am
Location: Houston, TX
Contact:

Postby Stacy Clifford » Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:22 pm

Tony Arnold wrote:No offence Stacy but I wouldn't want to join to be "a valuable training partner". I would rather sit it out, but I really appreciate your honest reply, thank you again.


I understand what you mean and I didn't intend to sound like that's an older member's only value. The Art that we study is designed to overcome physical advantages with skill. If you are in reasonably good shape and learn the art well, you will be a competent fighter, period. If that weren't the case, why would anybody want to learn it?
0==[>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Stacy Clifford
Free-Scholar
ARMA Houston, TX

User avatar
Corey Roberts
Posts: 223
Joined: Sat May 07, 2005 6:11 pm
Location: Pyeongtaek, South Korea

Postby Corey Roberts » Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:28 am

I don't think we care if you're 18, 50, or 105, if you are physically fit enough, dedicated, have a martial spirit, and wish to pursue these arts with sincerity, we welcome you.
--Scholar-Adept
Pyeongtaek
Republic of Korea

User avatar
Stacy Clifford
Posts: 1126
Joined: Fri May 14, 2004 11:51 am
Location: Houston, TX
Contact:

Postby Stacy Clifford » Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:02 pm

Corey Roberts wrote:I don't think we care if you're 18, 50, or 105, if you are physically fit enough, dedicated, have a martial spirit, and wish to pursue these arts with sincerity, we welcome you.


Absolutely agree.
0==[>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Stacy Clifford
Free-Scholar
ARMA Houston, TX


Return to “Research and Training Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 19 guests

 
 

Note: ARMA - The Association for Renaissance Martial Arts and the ARMA logo are federally registered trademarks, copyright 2001. All rights reserved. No use of the ARMA name or emblem is permitted without authorization. Reproduction of material from this site without written permission of the authors is strictly prohibited. HACA and The Historical Armed Combat Association copyright 1999 by John Clements. All rights reserved. Contents of this site 1999 by ARMA.