plate armour's weight?

[shim soo min]

how heavy the plate armour is?

and how many type plate armour is?


what different
plate and maile armour // full suit of plate armour
are ?
(and, what is 'complet armor' and 'field armor' ?)


Please, help me ! T-T

[Shane Smith]

My 14th century harness weighs about 70-80 pounds.

There are almost countless personalized variations of armor.Plate and maille is fairly standard for the 14th century and earlier.It consists of maille with plate supplementation.Full plate is just that,plate from head to toe with perhaps a smatering of maille in the joints as gussets on the arming jacket.

Welcome to the forum <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

[Brian Hunt]

Shane,

Who made your harnes? Did you do it or yourself or have it done? Do you also wear it with a gambeson?

Thanks
Brian Hunt.

[Shane Smith]

Hi Brian,

A local Armorer made it for me.I was looking for decent fighting-grade armor and he put me together a nicely fitting kit for a good price.It's hard to buy off the shelf stuff if your uncommonly tall. My 14th century munitions grade(read "not polished" and "basic" <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> " harness consists of

1-Gambeson
2-Maille hauberk
3-Breastplate
4-Full legs
5-Full arms
6-Gauntlets
7-Sabatons(they need a bit of work <img src="/forum/images/icons/blush.gif" alt="" /> )
8-Bascinet with aventail worn over an arming cap
9-Pig-face visor

[Casper Bradak]

I just recieved a complete italian style 15th c plate harness. I just weighed it in, including the gambeson, at about 56 lbs. I have no gussets for it though. Gussets would increase the weight a fair portion.

[Brian Hunt]

Cool,

Would love to see some pictures. Of both the armour, and you wearing it. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

Brian.

[Shane Smith]

Are you guys coming to the International event?If so,ARMA VAB is putting on a short armoured fighting presentation followed by a bit of freeplay.Bring your harness and we'll have a go <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />

If you're coming to the event and you have no harness,that's okay too, for the hands-on part, a waster and safety glasses are all you really need(alot of thrusting and point-in-the-face actions).Even if you have a kit,the safety glasses are still a must unless you have a great-helm or something of that nature.A bascinet with removable visor is best as we have learned that there is a reason Fiore and other masters are seen in the manuals with no visors <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

In short,if you have plate,bring it. If you have as little as a hauberk,bring that.You'll find that the more heavily armored you are,the more you will appreciate both the efficiency of the techniques and the endurance it takes to fight like this.Our last session of 4 hours in armor was a real eye opener...I guess the squires must have carried a jug of gatorade on the field of battle <img src="/forum/images/icons/shocked.gif" alt="" />

[Brian Hunt]

Shane,

Don't I wish I was going to be there. But real life intrudes. <img src="/forum/images/icons/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Are there going to be any videos taken of your armoured work? I would be very interested in one if so.

Thanks

Brian Hunt.

[Shane Smith]

I'm certain that there will be a few vids and photos taken.I'll make sure they get online and post a link when we get that worked out.

[Casper Bradak]

My apologies to you and Tim, I never got the chance to unpack my harness, though I'd have loved to. Too many classes I didn't want to miss.

[Shane Smith]

Thats too bad Casper.As pressed for time as we were though,there would probably have been little opportunity to actually go a few rounds...Man the schedule was just SO full of great content! There's always next year and John seems positive about a longer presentation for next years event so that we can more thoroughly cover the material.We were pleased to hear so many positive responses to even our abbreviated demo from our fellow scholars. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> It made all of those days,weeks and months of continuous training in the 100 degree Va. Beach heat worthwhile.We hope our fellow scholars at least got their hands around the basics...It is after all,all about the point.

As for your harness,can you share particulars?Gauge,maker and the like?It sounds like you have some good stuff to work with!

[Casper Bradak]

Sure!
It was made by Illusion Armoury. They cater a lot to sca, but have a good historical lineup and do a fair amount of customization. Like I said before, it weighs about 56 lbs. all together with the gambeson.
I bought it mainly in 18 guage with a few select parts in 16 as I was trying to match it as closely as I could to historical examples. Partly through laziness, but mainly to give it enough strength in that guage, to sort of simulate a temper, I ordered it in stainless.
It's made up of all their italian style armour parts in there period line. No fluting, mostly rounded surfaces with stop-ribs, and an armet. It's got pauldrons that are open in the front that I covered with besagews, which I backed w/scalloped red leather.
It's very form-fitting. I found that I really did have to get some medieval pants and shoes to wear under it, sweats and regular shoes wouldn't fit. I'm not sure how to describe it well, but if you have any particular questions let me know, I don't want to make a massive post.
It's more or less like their italian harness in their "period suits" section of their site. Mine has a different build to it, with some additional parts.http://www.illusionarmoring.com/

[Brian Hunt]

Illusion doe's some nice work, and they have nice prices. I haven't looked at them for awhile, didn't realize they had a line that was more historically accurate than their SCA line. Since your in Salt Lake, I will have to get up your way and see it sometime, if you don't mind.

Brian Hunt.

[Shane Smith]

Man Casper,after looking over the stuff on that site,it's all so pretty,I'd be afraid to put a dent in it <img src="/forum/images/icons/shocked.gif" alt="" /> What nice looking work! If you would,please let me know how it holds up in earnest harness-fechten training.I'm interested in the durability of the strapping and the hinging especially.Thanks <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

[Casper Bradak]

I'll do that. Unfortunately, I think I'm the only ARMA member in utah with harness, so it may take a while to get back to you.
I can tell you right now though, dents are probably more likely than failure of the strapping or hinges. The strapping I did myself to save money (I learned some armouring and how to do the leatherwork in my pre-ARMA days) and I'm confident in it.
The hinges seem pretty solid. In fact, the vambrace for example, has a hinge running its entire length. Also, a pleasant suprise about the armour, is that all of the armour pieces at the hinges overlap, so the hinges can only actually be bent one way and are reinforced. I have no idea how authentic that is, but it's nice.
I have little doubt armour in this guage will dent up a bit from blows, but I think that was a trade off of the lightness of field armour. But like I said, I'll let you know.