Codex Wallerstein/modern crossover

[david welch]

A buddy of mind that teaches undercover narcs agents, SF, that sort, has independently developed a default cover that looks exactly like this:



He has put his thoughts on his technique at:
http://www.selfdefenseforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=856

I was wondering, does anyone have a translation of this plate?

[Jake_Norwood]

It says:

So one more trick: if someone wants to hit your face, go with your right hand and catch the stroke by the arm and then hit his shoulder with you rleft hand from below, as depicted, so that you push him onto his back.

(translation G. Zabinski, Codex Wallerstein p. 286, Paladin Press)

Zabinski's translation of CW is absolute required reading for anyone interested in Ringen.

Jake

[Aaron Pynenberg]

This is very, very close to the current "S.P.E.A.R." technique taught by Tony Blauer. It's a cutting edge Police Combatives technique, which jams the incoming attack and turns it into an offensive type of counter. It converts the "flinch response" and in practice looks just like this only in the S.P.E.A.R. technique you strike with the forearm to the sternum, Pectorial, clavicle area.

[david welch]

And it shares principle similarities with Lee Aldridge of RBFC's cowcatcher...

That's really what I am doing, Aaron. I figured that the modern equivalent of the men at arms would be the guys designing the cutting edge Police Combative techniques. They have basically the same "envelope":

Live capture if possible. Knights for ransom, police for prosecution.

Unarmed lethal techniques are not the rule, its for when it goes fubar.

Training for sudden unexpected assault. If you set your training up so the first person taps you on the shoulder and when you turn around he asks you what time it is, the next guy taps you on the shoulder and when you turn around he tries to shiv you... that is training for the real world. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

Expecting and training for unproportional armament, i.e., empty hand vs. knife, knife vs. gun, etc. If you both have a knife and start on an agreed upon signal you are dueling.

Anyway, when I figured out the best people out there worried about the real possibilities of unarmed combat (and law enforcement is a whole lot more likely to go hand to hand than our military guys) are all coming up with similar solutions to the same problem, I started looking at what they were doing and comparing it with the fightbook techniques. A lot of time, I can go over the modern stuff and get to a point where it looks identical to the fightbook plate dealing with the same problem. There really is nothing new under the Sun.

And I am filling in holes for myself that way too. The modern stuff is all stripped down to its basics, and it is very similar to the WWII combatatives, very similar to some of the FMA with the "flowery" bits stripped out, etc. It is all about forward drive, KISS, and aggressive attack.

In the above plate, the translation has "and then hit his shoulder with your left hand from below, as depicted, so that you push him onto his back." But look at the guy doing the technique. He has his hips behind his shoulders and is moving forward. He isn't hitting him like a boxer or like in karate! He is hitting him like an NFL lineman! That is the same thing the modern techniques do.

And in keeping with KISS, you do the same thing with an empty hand that you do with a knife. One is a strike, the other is a stab. Look at the guys left hand, it is thumb down. If he was holding a dagger instead of just a hit, he would be stabbing him too.

Anyway, thanks for the translation Jake!