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Just as absurd is the idea that one of the Masters would be able to win a UFC title. Just the list of rules in MMA takes away a considerable amount of tools a master would have used. Add to that the fact that Fiore Dei Liberi says there are techniques that are not even safe to train, but yet it would be ok to use them in a competition?
Fouls:
Butting with the head.
Eye gouging of any kind.
Biting.
Hair pulling.
Fish hooking.
Groin attacks of any kind.
Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
Small joint manipulation.
Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
Grabbing the clavicle.
Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
Stomping a grounded opponent.
Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
Spitting at an opponent.
Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
Holding the ropes or the fence.
Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
Interference by the corner.
Throwing in the towel during competition."
Now for the argument: It seems like a lot of the posters here seem to be trying to use the "well, our art was used for killing on the battlefield" argument to validate themselves. Respectfully, that is no basis for judgement of a martial art. The only judgement that can be made is by the art's effectiveness versus other arts, with a complete understanding of all its techniques. Therefore, without a complete understanding of BJJ or Ringen, one cannot make assumptions of their strengths and weaknesses.
I'm sure Ringen was used quite effectively on the battlefields of Europe, but we must remember: the battlefields of Europe were won with weapons, not unarmed combat! Therefore, the likelihood that Ringen was used on the battlefield with deadly effectiveness is very doubtable, because even the best unarmed figher would lose to a skilled blade.
Quite a few, huh?
Actually, the arguement is:
Almost all known blade cultures that fought in close combat to the death had a style of sport wrestling in which the winner won by either throwing his opponent to the ground, or you lost by allowing any part of your body except your feet to touch the ground. Why?
Also, no known battlefield combat art, eastern or western, has integrated and prominent ground fighting. Why?
Also, when the guys that were putting together the H2H training for the soldiers in WWII, even though they were well skilled in judo, wrestling, and one of them was one of the first western BBJ masters, no ground fighting or grappling was used . Whyy
Sorry, but due to the nature of armoured combat, a lot of the techniques are to close and use joint destruction techniques on the enemy. H2H would have been much more common that most people are aware of.
I stated, universally accepted. Of course there will be exceptions to any rule in competition that is held worldwide by different organizations. For example, foot stomps to the face are allowed in PRIDE FC, another MMA organization, but not in UFC. There are some organizations with fewer rules, and some with more. The bottom most 10 are ethical rules anyway, not restricting the fighters' tools.
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