sport wrestling

[Will Adamson]

Would sport wrestling have the same issues as far as similarity to historical ringen that modern sport fencing has with historical fencing?

I'm just wondering if someone well versed in modern wrestling is likely to be a good consultant or a likely practitioner.

[AlexCSmith]

Well I would argue that sport wrestling has more real combat application than sport fencing but your analogy isn't far off.

Still a good wrestler would be a useful training partner imo.

[Gene Tausk]

Would sport wrestling have the same issues as far as similarity to historical ringen that modern sport fencing has with historical fencing?

I'm just wondering if someone well versed in modern wrestling is likely to be a good consultant or a likely practitioner.

There are clearly differences between sport wrestling and ringen (use of chokeholds and armbreaks, legal techniques, etc.) but IMHO you can gain a good foundation of ringen by studying wrestling or judo. If you want to keep it strictly "Western" and limit your study to a system like GR or freestyle or sambo, that is fine, I think you will gain the benefits.

By benefits I am talking about working on your sense of balance, timing, distance, leverage and proper application of technique, all of which can only help you with ringen. In addition, you will learn the valuable skill of learning how to fall safely.

Not to mention as well it is a great workout and calorie burner.

[Will Adamson]

Well it sounds like pretty much what I imagined.

There is a wrestling gym behind the building we used for the 1.0 here. I thought about approaching them about working through the Codex Wallerstein. Since I have very little real grappling experience I thought they might be a good resource as long as the sport aspect hadn't too far altered their own understanding.

I'll give 'em a try.

[Keith Culbertson]

oh yeah, trust me that wrestling will condition you like nothing else to take punishment and push your endurance levels sky high as well as all Gene listed----that was my own foundation. Have fun!

[Jay Vail]

I would say that, despite its faults, judo is closer to ringen than modern western wrestling disciplines with the possible exception of sambo (but that is a judo derivative). A lot depends on who you train with, though.

[AlexCSmith]

I would say that, despite its faults, judo is closer to ringen than modern western wrestling disciplines with the possible exception of sambo (but that is a judo derivative). A lot depends on who you train with, though.

And Catch as Catch Can wrestling is closer than either Sambo or Judo but it's a lot easier to find a good Judo class (and getting easier to find Sambo every day). Sadly it's also easier to find a terrible Judo class. Just don't get roped into some kind of contract before you know if it's a group you can learn from. Rule of thumb if they won't let you workout a couple of times for free to see what they do then they are afraid to let you see what they do.

[david welch]

As an interesting note to think about, most of the "combat cultures" had a sport for of wrestleing that involved two men standing, and the winner is the man that can take the other off his feet while remaining on his.

Glimma, randori in judo, etc.

[Brent Lambell]

Glima - Scandinavian folk wrestling.