Is Savate a Renaissance Martial Art?

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Re: Is Savate a Renaissance Martial Art?

Postby Lorraine Munoa » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:33 pm

It may be that EMA is only designed to score points lately. We can assume that back when the arts were being created in real life use, instead of in classrooms, they were just as effective as the WMA that have been resurrected. It goes both ways too, look at sport fencing. <img src="/forum/images/icons/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Once people stop Using a technique in its context they forget whether something really works or not.
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Re: Is Savate a Renaissance Martial Art?

Postby Grant Hall » Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:44 am

Oh for sure, I have no doubt that EMA were effective in their heyday, however I do not buy into them being any MORE effective the WMA.
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Re: Is Savate a Renaissance Martial Art?

Postby Logan Weed » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:00 pm

I don't see there being anything inherently wrong with martial sports. Sporting competition is what they want to do and they have every right to practice it. You're (And I think I'm in the same boat) advocating a system designed to incapacitate an opponent as quickly as possible with no regard for their safety. What's probably healthier for most of society to be practicing?

I do, however, have a big problem with practitioners of these martial sports claiming they're on the same level as most combat dedicated arts in a real combat situation. MMA (Not referring to the concept of MMA) style combat is certainly applicable to a bar fight or a roaming street gang but it wasn't designed for these situations. After all, it's the person who wins fights, not the art. Boxing (As a sport, not a term) is ideally suited for combat in the boxing ring under Boxing rules. Shaolin Kung Fu would (And has been shown to) do terrible under sporting conditions.

I think there's a fundamental problem in trying to separate EMA and WMA. There isn't really any a difference, there's simply a difference between sports and "mortal combat".

That being said I do understand the necessity to concentrate on WMA on this site as it's inteded for research, which needs to stay focused.

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Postby David E K Frischkorn III » Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:34 pm

what I know is that its based in France, Old men used canes instead of swords because swords were banned in the public.

it came from sailors fighting on the ships and they practiced on the ships
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Postby Gene Tausk » Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:09 pm

David E K Frischkorn III wrote:what I know is that its based in France, Old men used canes instead of swords because swords were banned in the public.

it came from sailors fighting on the ships and they practiced on the ships


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Postby Tyrone Artur Budzin » Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:57 pm

Here are some links I have found over the net which may help you dig in deeper to the origins of Savate. It seems Savate and La Canne are very intertwined arts. The links are a mix of essays, pictures and videos.

http://www.savateaustralia.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk5v5Jql ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcpgSUP8 ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJme1iy6 ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKDkBlKE ... re=related
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