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wrestling for fighting by Randy

Postby Steven Ott » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:42 pm

A good book and very western based in my opinion
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Postby Gene Tausk » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:59 am

ottmandus wrote:A good book and very western based in my opinion


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Postby Mike Cartier » Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:14 am

yes Randy is great and Greco-Roman is a great style to train in, I wish there was more access to it.

Randy has a school just north of me where Vanderlei Silva just also started teaching., but i never find the time to get there.
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Postby Grant Hall » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:40 am

Mike Cartier wrote:...but i never find the time to get there.


Man make time, sheesh what I'd give to be able to train under Randy, learning not only Greco, but how to apply it in a Mixed Martial Arts enviroment, and I'm sure he'd love to see various Kampfringen moves too.

Infact getting Randy interested in HEMA would be awesome for our cause...

Anyways, just thought I'd post to say I envy your position and I'd definately take advantage of it.

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Postby Tom Keesler » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:19 pm

In everyones' opinion is this a good intro to wrestling basics??
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Postby Stewart Sackett » Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:56 pm

In my opinion learning to grapple from books is very difficult if you have no previous grappling experience & you'll develop a lot of bad habits which you may or may not eventually correct without qualified instruction.

Having said that, this is a good book that clearly articulates a lot of very important basics of freestyle & Greco-roman wrestling with tips on how to translate them to less rule restricted contests.

I know a few BJJ blue belts who used this as a jumping off point in their study of stand-up wrestling with good results.

I'd recommend the book.
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Postby Tony_Klabunde » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:08 am

While I agree to a point with my poster above.

The little nuances, hip shifts, allying pressure more forward than backward and just wrestling mechanics and technical wrestling in general is necessary, but Nothing, you can not go to your local HS wrestling coach and ask a few questions about the book or drawings.

I am sure if you ask around work or your social group we all have a wrestler somewhere, I am lucky my youngest son is 2nd in his school area. So he shows me allot when I point to a picture and say "HOWS this work?

If he doesn't quite get it, I will as this CONAN of a man at work, who Wrestled for college and coached at the HS They say he is very good. From what I have seen he is a wonderful wrestle.

It wouldn't be the 1st time the girls at work wondered why the walls shook because we were "EXPLAINING" things at work, giggling like school girls.

Hey when your computer nerds you have to do these things, But ask around, so you can have an knowledgeable wrestle explain the mechnicas and show you "WHY the move works.

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Postby Stewart Sackett » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:08 pm

Tony_Klabunde wrote:I am sure if you ask around work or your social group we all have a wrestler somewhere


But if people can find a trained wrestler, who's willing to show them the ropes, working with such a person is almost certainly going to be of greater benefit then working from a book.

After all, we wouldn't need fightbooks if we had time machines. :D
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Postby Tony_Klabunde » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:44 pm

Stewart Sackett wrote:
Tony_Klabunde wrote:I am sure if you ask around work or your social group we all have a wrestler somewhere


But if people can find a trained wrestler, who's willing to show them the ropes, working with such a person is almost certainly going to be of greater benefit then working from a book.

After all, we wouldn't need fightbooks if we had time machines. :D


Working with someone is always better. Maybe its Aaron P's influence. The point I was making was that with a knowledgeable wrestler and the books. We can correctly recreate and utilize the teachings that were there from the beginning.

With my eastern influences, it is especial important for me to keep it clear and utilize strictly western techniques. We will always fall back on the way we were trained. A tae kwon doist will kick, a jujitsu expert will take it to the ground, a boxer will box.

By using the books, and gaining the insight of a trained wrestler, we can then recreate effectively and useful techniques that work. From a western prospective, For me it means striping away the eastern influences and fight unarmed using holistic western techniques.

I do hope that all makes sense.
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Postby Stewart Sackett » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:17 pm

Tony_Klabunde wrote:With my eastern influences, it is especial important for me to keep it clear and utilize strictly western techniques. We will always fall back on the way we were trained. A tae kwon doist will kick, a jujitsu expert will take it to the ground, a boxer will box.

By using the books, and gaining the insight of a trained wrestler, we can then recreate effectively and useful techniques that work. From a western prospective, For me it means striping away the eastern influences and fight unarmed using holistic western techniques.

I do hope that all makes sense.


Absolutely. A lot of my training is in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu & while that helps a lot in knowing the mechanics of attacking the joints, how to hold someone down, how to escape, etc. it also means I need people reminding me to get back to my feet & wrestle instead of throwing omoplatas when I've been taken down.
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