ringen/wrestling

[JeffGentry]

Hey Mike

I have checked out the pankration site a couple time's, haven't been there in a couple week's, I think alot of the basic wrestling is pretty universal and very useful, I just think some people in martial art's view it as a "sport" or for fitness so they see the technique's in a diffrent light.

I just think alot of the thing's in the manuel's are written for those who have some basic skill's, I know some of the basic's, i am just not as proficient at them as i think i need to be.

I think the real, benefit of the holdem down on thier shoulders style of wrestling is that its better for holding folks down to beat them or to use a weapon rather than to submit them

exactly someone you hurt severly on the ground is easier to dispatch when they can no longer fight at full strength, a guy with a broken arm or leg is a little easier to dispatch than someone who is at there full faculty.

I try to stress this in our training that this is not a game it is a way to kill another person and we need to spar as if that is what we are doing, end it as quick as possible, choke, break an arm, gouge there eye's, just end it as quickly as you can, including pound there face in if that is the best option.


Jeff

[Jared L. Cass]

Jeff, you and I are on the same page...I totally agree with you on the limits of sport wrestling.

I thought this story was intersting for that very fact (the guy was still able to assist the cop even though he was a sport wrestler) and also how it related to Gene's future plans of using sport wrestling as a basis/foundation for his students studies into RMA unarmed/dagger/grappling fighting.

As you mentioned, how many of us take the time to practice the "basics"...all the "basics" are there (in sport wrestling). I believe that Gene's onto something as far as using sport wrestling as vehical for being able to relativily safely practice "in ernest". Especially for new-comers with out grappling experience. Use it as a base to gain some advantagous "core assumptions" and then start adding in the goodies (locks, "breaks", gouges, ect) once the students are comfortable.

Jared L. Cass, ARMA Associate, Wisconsin

[JeffGentry]

Hey Jared

I just think that it would be much easier to learn the throw's, lock's, break's all that when you are a fairly good wrestler to begin with just don't get into a total "sport" mind set, i know in one fechtbuch it say's you can use these tecnique's in earnest and in play, that indicate's "sport" to me.

Jeff

[Gene Tausk]

Hi Jared:

"I believe that Gene's onto something as far as using sport wrestling as vehical for being able to relativily safely practice "in ernest". Especially for new-comers with out grappling experience. Use it as a base to gain some advantagous "core assumptions" and then start adding in the goodies (locks, "breaks", gouges, ect) once the students are comfortable. "

Thanx! I'll let you know how it develops.

Also, we are putting this theory to the test at our regional gathering in August (Have YOU registered yet, comrade?) The first day we will be working on some GR moves, then the second day seeing their applications in Ringen am Schwert.

See you there.


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