Bind/Wind understanding and practice?

[leam hall]

We're trying to understand the "bind" and "wind" in both theory and practice. From what I understand, and I'm more than happy to be corrected, "bind" is just a moment of crossed blades and things like "ringen" are what you do out of a bind. The other understanding I have is that "wind" is the sliding of your blade on different parts of your opponents to gain advantage.

Are my understandings correct? What drills do you do to practice them? I remember reading somewhere that it works much better with wasters or blunts than padded. We worked through some stuff this past week with gloves, helmets, wasters, and a lot of caution.

[Hans Heim]

Hi Leam,

to your questions:

Yes, the "bind" is every situation when the swords/weapons are crossed. Out of the "bind" can you use many different techniques, on is "ringen/wrestling".

The "winden, or wind" it a technique out of the German system. Normally you move (while you thrust at him) with the strong of your weapon, to the weak of the weapon of your enemy, you get with this the better leverage and kill him with your thrust.
To practice this technique, steel is best, but use safety equippment.

Servus,

Hans

[JeffGentry]

Hey Leam


Well Gene and Jake both showed us here in columbus Ohio a drill to develope the feel in the bind that will help the wind too.

Two people stand facing each other waster's tip to tip then one will apply pressure trying to move to a position to touch the other with the tip of the waster,below the neck on the body leg's hand's arm's where ever.

You will find lifting your hilt using the strong on the weak changing edge to flat all do diffrent thing's and you will learn to move the sword to your advatage and feel your opposite's sword on your's weak or strong and move accordingly, you need to keep constant contact of the waster's if you lose contact(and you will) start over.

i find this to be a very good drill it is similar to the one in wing chun were you trap your opponent's hand, only are's is meant to be used to eventualy kill the opponent with a thrust, we have only done it a couple of time's here in Columbus but i think it is already helping us.

Gene taught it to us one week and then Jake was here the next week and showed it to us again, so i guess it is an ARMA approved drill.

hope that help's good luck.
Jeff

[philippewillaume]

The bind as I understand it is when the two blade make contact.

Winden or winding.
this is what i have come up so far, may be it can help (this is purely from ringeck who as every one is the Daddy)
winden Is closely linked to hangen, it is very efficient but quite dangerous because it is easy to bugger it up unless you understand if firmly (which I am not quite sure I do).

The 4 hangen are nothing more that extended (as in in front of you) of the plough and the ox on the right and on the left.

The action of getting into those position is called winding. Taking in count the position and pressure of the enemy blade there are 2 windings for each hangen.
Out of the winding you can either thrust, strike or schnitt.
Hence 24 possibilities of uncle Sigmund (4*2*3)

Ringeck used the trust out of the zorn to illustrate what you can do in winding.

The first case is that he his weak in his bind against the zornh.
De facto ending up in the lower hangen and you thrust at his face from below.
It is not described as a winding but it is one de facto.

If he his strong at the bind, you go against his strong and go into high hangen and you thrust at his face.

He then raise his hands to defend against that. You stay in th exact same position you just accentuate the rotation so that you points disengage passes over his quillons and you thrust him at the lower opening from bellow.

The second explanation is coming few verses later
It says when you wind at him out of the zorn and he parries the trust.
So this time you have two options covered by this one text.
Either you thrust at him from below because he was weak or from the top because he was strong, his defense being the same in both case he his trying to cover and follow our blade.

If he his weak you have trusted from below to his face and he comes against the thrust so you extend your arms (going into a sort of the opposite corner of your body) if he pushes that down or aside you drop your point to the lower opening if continues to pary that you then move into the lower hangen opposite of the original side passing the point thought and below the blade of you opponent thrusting at his right side

If he his hard at the zorn then we do the upper winden and the dropping the point bit
If he still follows that you go for the opposite lower hanging to his right side.


The last bit on winden concerns the two winding for one hangen.
If we start from the zorn again (you are not obliged to it is just for convenience) he is strong and you go for the upper hanging,
We have already seen the case where he pushes us up or try to cover us/ take the right side of our blade this time he is trying to get under us/take the left side of our blade.
This time you stay with the tip above his blade so your blade strays over his all the time and that you can control it all the time and you wind to the right (at the end of the move you will be at the right of your opponent). So you start on one side of his blade and end up in the other.

This what I found to make it safe.
Keep the technique in front (ie extended version of ox and plugh) if it is the normal version you are too close.

The first thrust of any winden is made as if you what to actually hit him so that his heas goes and stay back. If that does not happen you should do a verkerer and not a winden.

Your tip should never go further that his shouder.


I hope that helped somehow