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Re: Meyer question

Postby Jamie Fellrath » Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:38 am

I believe so. I think a kron just refers to a parry that is over the head, whether the tip is pointed up or to the side. But there's a fine line between Hangen and Kron.

Are there any manuals that discuss the kron in and of itself? I've only seen it mentioned offhand in places like Ringeck.
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Re: Meyer question

Postby JeffGentry » Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:42 am

Hey Jamie

that was why i wasn't sure if it would be called Kron i do it with the tip slightly to the right so i bind it on the ricasso/gaurd, then wind to my rigth opponent's left and i traverse left to wind off his blade and strike, i just wasn't sure what to call it it goes up like a kron though, i just point my tip slightly to his left to catch it on the short edge.

It is no big deal i just wasn't sure how to describe it.

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Re: Meyer question

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:48 pm

Moving on to my next question:

How do you do the Glitzhaw (Sliding strike). I can't figure this one out from Meyer's description either.

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Re: Meyer question

Postby Mike Cartier » Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:22 am

best way to descrube the Glitzhauw is...

Meet your opponents blade in a Bind in the middle if he goes to Zornhau you, once you meet press your hilt to your upper left opening, this will open up a space on the opponents left upper opening and you slide your blade and flip it over to smack him on the left side of his head with the short edge.
Its very quick. I have yet to use it in sparring because the paddeds don't slide well.
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Re: Meyer question

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:37 am

Thanks again for the help. <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" /> Will try it out today in class. Do you know if any of the illustrations show this cut?

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Re: Meyer question

Postby Mike Cartier » Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:38 pm

take a look at my last post in on the ARMA E-list guys.
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Re: Meyer question

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:44 pm

I don't know how to subscribe to the e-list. <img src="/forum/images/icons/frown.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Meyer question

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Yea, I've been off of there too due to the fact that Yahoo continues to foul up my membership <img src="/forum/images/icons/mad.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Meyer question

Postby Mike Cartier » Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:38 am

send me a private message with your emails then.
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Re: Meyer question

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:37 pm

Hi mike,

I am at krovos@hotmail.com

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Re: Meyer question

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:43 pm

Mike,

We have tried the blendhau with both a short and long edge interception. How did the short edge work for you?

I found that it seems to work better with a short edge (rather like a krump) displacement followed by a descending short edge cut, rather than the long edge.

To my mind, when you meet the other fellow with your long edge and push his blade down, it seems closer to Meyers description of the kron.

What did you come up with?

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Re: Meyer question

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:47 pm

And to add to the mess, a question on the kurzhau.

When you do the kurzhau, are you actually intercepting his blade with yours at any point or just voiding and then cutting?

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Re: Meyer question

Postby Mike Cartier » Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:19 am

I am following Jakes idea on this one, his idea of the Blendthauw seems to work well for me. Its identical to the Kron in the beginning, but from the Kron guard rather than striking, you tear down his hilt with your cross, effectively cutting off his counter cut. i do have some reservations about it .
i am of course open to a better interpretation ,. So far this works best for me
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Re: Meyer question

Postby JeffGentry » Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:04 am

Hey Mike
I am following Jakes idea on this one


here is what Jake say's: Bind from the right, raise your hilt(as to Kron)and tear his weapon down to your right hip, now cross your arms and hit from your hip or knee in his left ear with the short edge. The strike here is the final portion of the kurtzhauw in reverse. The same strike may be performed from nebenhut on the right, or even wechsel on the right.

this is what Meyer say's: "Bind your opponent's sword from your right side, wind through in the clash against his left side with your hilt or haft below, when your opponent tries to swipe away the winding, quickly move the weak with crossed hands from your right toward his left against his head, that is the forward point, wind your hands through again or twist out to your left with the half edge. Thus you have fully executed the Blind Strike, which can be made in many ways and from there further on in places."

Ok so looking at both i see what Jake say's lining up with Meyer and i see Meyer using this to retake the vor. now to do this you have to catch the strike on the short edge and wind to your right and his left or as Jake said tear his weapon down as in pull down, so when you wind or teard down to the right your blade is on top your strong on his weak to midpoint and you now have control your opponent's blade giving you the advantage, IMHO you have to catch the strike on the short edge to get the wind and strike that is what i see both saying.

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Re: Meyer question

Postby Mike Cartier » Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:52 am

I'll give that short edge kron a try at tomorrows class, but I can't see how i would do it from my right side like it says to do.
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