Joachim Meyer Figure F

[Matt_Bruskotter]

Can anyone tell me what the figures in the right background of illistration F in Meyer reperestents? i can't figure it out for the life of me. Is there somewhere on-line where there is an analysis of all figures in Meyer so I don't have to myself? Thanks.

[Mike Cartier]

Are you you talking about this one?

The right background looks like a man in Tag versus a man doing either a Flugelhauw (wing cut) or perhaps a hanging parry. I would lean towards the Flugelhauw as the explanation.

And no there is nowhere that the Meyer images are analyzed.

[Aaron Pynenberg]

That's what it lookslike to me too-
Also help me out, but does it seem that these figures are catching the blades from time to time in between thier hands on the grip? Example figures in the same figure F back left- does it mention this in the historical documentation?-

[JeffGentry]

Hey Aaron

Also help me out, but does it seem that these figures are catching the blades from time to time in between thier hands on the grip?

I have noticed this on more than one occasion, I have not realy looked into it, just filed it away in the back of my mind for future refrence.

Jeff

[Aaron Pynenberg]

man, what control, that to me would just seem really tricky, but then again I have not been training for years, and years. Anyone else have thoughts on that?

[Shane Smith]

Matt Anderson and I have both pulled that off a few times in freeplay, admittedly by accident/chance though in every case. Indeed, his blunt has a big cut in the leather grip from just such a cover <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />

[Mike Chidester]

Heh, I've managed it a time or two in free play as well, but never completely on purpose. I certainly don't -train- that way.

[Aaron Pynenberg]

Well- we have all done things by chance and circumstance a time or two, but I doubt they would train that way, I realize of course that these figures are not an actual snapshot but of idealized fencers, but even so I think it's interesting that they would show it, again anyone know if it's a prescribed move in the texts?-

[John_Clements]

I think here's the move from another treatise and a different angle.
Pretty common, in my opinion.

[Axel Pettersson]

It looks possible to performe a parry like that with the long grip in the picture supplied by Mr Clements. Myself I am far to unskilled to attempt something similar (except by mere chance).


Another thing: the person to the right, in the picture supplied by Mr Clements, how is he holding his sword? Am I wrong when I think he is holding the sword from the "same side" with both his hands, I have never seen that before?

[Shane Smith]

Both fencers appear to be holding the swords normally to my eye although the guy on the left's right thumb looks poorly drawn.

[Jaron Bernstein]

Hey guys,

I think what right rear guy in F is doing Meyer's Knieckelhauw (knuckle strike) with the rising version. For those of you with more knowledge of Meyer than me, what do ye think?

[Jaron Bernstein]

Matt,

Part of the fun of Meyer is spending hours looking at the pretty pictures and trying to match them with the text. <img src="/forum/images/icons/tongue.gif" alt="" />

[Bill Welch]

Looks to me like the guy on the left is holding his sword in a over hand grip with both hands. look at the way his right elbow is bent out not down.

[Jaron Bernstein]

Bill,

But the guy on the right looks to me to be throwing an ascending cut to the left (vom tag dude's) guy's arms. Sounds like the the knuckle strike to me.