Meyer question

[Jaron Bernstein]

Hi all,

Got a question about Meyer's "Blind Strike"

I have puzzled over the text of how to do it and can't figure it out.

1. How do you do the strike?
2. Is there among all those really cool illustrations in Meyer, a picture showing this strike?

Thanks,
Jaron <img src="/forum/images/icons/tongue.gif" alt="" />

[C.Van Slambrouck]

Secondary Cut: A winding-through maneuver designed to draw the opponent to one side, followed by a snapping attack to the opposite side.

Blendhauw, blendt-, blind-: Meyer 14r, 61r; cf. 2:12v

From Higgins Armory's Glossary of German Longsword Terms

I hope this helps

Christopher

[Ryan Ricks]

didn't someone just post a video of that on the e-list?

ryan

[Mike Cartier]

Hi Jaron
No there is no illustration in Meyer of the Blindhauw.
Here is a video of me doing a poorly executed attempt at it.
http://arma-sfl.com/members/videos/blindhauw.mov
I move to the side much too much and i don't extend the Kron at the beginning (when i intercept his sword)
i will be doing another video of it soon thats hopefully better, thats an old one from many months ago when we first learned the strike.

You can get the idea of whats going on though.
You intercept the opponents Oberhau with the cross of your sword in a Kron then push the opponents blade over to the right and down to your hip. As you complete this you let the blade slip out and turn over to strike them on the head or just behind the head on the neck with your short edge.
When done correctly this will hit them in the back of the neck mostly and come in on a blindspot for the opponent so he never sees it. i think thats why its called a Blind Strike.

[JeffGentry]

Hey Mike

I clicked on the link and i got nothing, i went to the SFL site am wondering if the video is locked in the member only area, or if i am just computer illiterate. lol


Jeff

[Mike Cartier]

It works fine for me, its a quicktime movie so make sure you have that plugin.
You have to give it a whiole to download too.
it is behind the members side security but i opened up a little hole for it <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
Try again and give it 5-10 mins to download depending on your connection speed.

[JeffGentry]

Thank's Mike
I have more player's than i can deal with,lol, i just didn't wait long enough i guess thank's

[JeffGentry]

hey all

Just got the video took 20 minute's,lol, guess i was being impatient.

Blind strike: Bind your opponent's sword from your right side, wind through in the clash against his left side with your hilt or haft below, when your opponent tries to swipe away the winding, quickly move the weak with crossed hands from your right toward his left against his head, that is the forward point, wind your hands through again or twist out to your left with the half edge. Thus you have fully executed the Blind Strike, which can be made in many ways and from there further on in places.

Ok i have a problem here the text say's to "Bind your opponent's sword from your right side" now i see you catching it on the long edge or left side of your blade and doing somewhat of a hanging strike, if you were to catch his strike in a "short edge kron" you can roll his sword to your right(wind) and maintain control to flow off into the shortedge cut to the head neck or even to his lower right opening if you chose to take out the leg and Meyer is a big advocate of flowing off to the short edge if he doesn't cooperate it is a simple matter to push the pommel under your right arm and still strike him as in the wound strike, with your blade on top you have more control of his sword.


I am no expert i have just been somewhat intensley going through Meyer lately and it is taking me forever <img src="/forum/images/icons/confused.gif" alt="" /> , I could be way off base i have not gotten to this portion in my study of it yet Jaron ask me about it i was not sure had not had a chance to realy study it and saw his question posted here so thought i would watch your interpretation ala Jake Norwood, and it made me think about it and gave me some visual of it.

I'll try it with him when we get together and see this is just MHO, i do appreciate the video it did help.

Jeff

[Mike Cartier]

yes good points
i'll email you directly and we can discuss.

[Jaron Bernstein]

first, thanks very much for your input and thought.

2nd, I can't get the video to work. But your description is clear enough.

The text says: "Blind strike: Bind your opponent's sword from your right side, wind through in the clash against his left side with your hilt or haft below,..."

I read this as a high kron (hey, that unicorn thing IS good for something! <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> ) in which you intercept and push the other fellow's sword to your right and down.

" when your opponent tries to swipe away the winding, quickly move the weak with crossed hands from your right toward his left against his head, that is the forward point, wind your hands through again or twist out to your left with the half edge. Thus you have fully executed the Blind Strike, which can be made in many ways and from there further on in places."

I interpret this to mean that from there you push his blade down and wind in with a descending short edge cut to his head or shoulder area.

Is this a fair understanding?

Jaron <img src="/forum/images/icons/tongue.gif" alt="" />

[JeffGentry]

Hey Jaron

that is what i'm seeing so in order to do that it has to be caught on the short edge initialy, then you have control of his blade and everything else is pretty much the same. guess we are on the same sheet of music.

Well try it at practice.

Jeff

[Mike Cartier]

yes thats it Jaron, only you catch it on the long edge at your cross. Thats preyy much what i remember Jake showing us in NO.
The long edge kron is very strong and you simply push out to your right to do the technique. I haven't tried a short edge Kron, i will do so this weekend.

[Jamie Fellrath]

To me, using the long edge kron as you do in the video seems to have the same sort of effect as using a hangen properly - the opponent's sword slides right down and almost whips your blade around into the proper position to do the strike.

[JeffGentry]

Hey Jamie

That is why i was thinking to use the short edge because Meyer say's to wind and to me that indicate's you have the vor, and some control of his blade, and as you know if your trying to wind with your blade on the bottom it is nearly impossible to do.

The hanging strike isn't what i would call a wind, everything else look's good to me though we can all try it and see what we get i may be very wrong.

Jeff

[JeffGentry]

Hey Mike

Is it called a kron even on the short edge wasn't sure have not seen anything about that so didn't know for sure. <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" /> i know kron is crown like the crown of your head.


Jeff