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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby Lance Chan » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:49 am

Yes, we do have that kind of participants here. If you watch my last week clip, you can hear I said "To 10 rounds only, I'm scared"....

Well, anyway, since I don't know the circumstances of your videos well enough, I think I'll refrain from commenting anymore. I somehow feel that most experieced swordsmen on this forum ceased to comment on sparring videos because of this reason too and I can echo their decision (I could be wrong on this feeling). After all, commenting one thing and then resulting in bringing up a whole page of background story telling why it was done that way without choices stimulates further discussion that I may not have time to participate right now.
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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby JeanryChandler » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:15 pm

Well, anyway, since I don't know the circumstances of your videos well enough, I think I'll refrain from commenting anymore.


Please dont misunderstand, I always welcome your insights. If I seem to explain too much, it's only in the interests of clarity. I didn't mean to go off on a long tangent, I raised the issues around Chris's fighting style because I thought it was relevant to sparring and to any kind of martial arts fighting: despite what sometimes seems to be the assumption, we dont always face well trained opponents.

I think a French fencing master once said "I dont fear the best swordsman in France, I fear the worst swordsman in France!" and there can be some truth to that.

somehow feel that most experieced swordsmen on this forum ceased to comment on sparring videos because of this reason too and I can echo their decision (I could be wrong on this feeling). After all, commenting one thing and then resulting in bringing up a whole page of background story telling why it was done that way without choices stimulates further discussion that I may not have time to participate right now.


I would be disapointed if that were the case, I dont know why other experienced fencers here dont seem as interested in commenting on sparring, maybe they have just seen too much of it. Or maybe the quality of my stuff especially is just too bad.

But I have always found your commentary interesting, and I always appreciate those few who offer criticism, especially from people with a lot of experience such as you guys in Hong Kong and our friends in Sweeden. We are a small group here and getting feedback from other knowlegable students of WMA is extremely helpful in terms of perspective.

Everyone, please forgive me if I bore you with too many details and explanations, but dont let that stop you from offering commentary, you need not always feel obligated to respond.

Jeanry

P.S. Lance I've just finally finished the (long!) downloads of your own sparring clips, so I'll go look at them now.
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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby Joachim Nilsson » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:28 pm

Jeanry wrote:

Everyone, please forgive me if I bore you with too many details and explanations, but dont let that stop you from offering commentary, you need not always feel obligated to respond.


I actually appreciate that you give so much detail and information. The more clarity, the better.

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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby LennyZimmermann » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:24 pm

I also read these threads. I just don't tend to comment very often. Like Jenry, though, I certainly appreciate the feedback.

I wanted to comment that putting together more extended exchanges would probably come together more for us if we had better defesive skills in longsword. Personally it's one of my least favorite weapons, but it is the one that most folks like to work with, so it's the one we spar with the most. That being said, my "seeing" the defenses I have available is rather limited at this point. Maybe if he put up the clips of me figthing against longsword with just a sdesword you'd see what I mean. I can get those defenses going quite well with a single-handed weapon, but a two-handed one still throws me off a bit. Something that just takes time and practice really. (And probably more commitment than I have really put into the weapon, to be perfectly honest..)

Not to mention you can only string together a series of blows if you don't hit or get hit withn the first strike or two anyway. <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

As for linear movement. Yeah, some of that is certainly there. In a way I probably deserve a tad mroe blame for it thatn Jeanry, though. Longsword is a "tighter" feeling weapon to me and somehow the limitations of tw-handed guards tends to keep me thinking a bit more linear than I probably need to be. I tend to be a bit less so with single-handed weapons, but honestly I think that most fighting I ever see is, in effect, linear. Being aware of angles and how they can be used is certainly very important, IMHO, but the shortest distance to your opponent is always a straight line. So in some ways linearity of a bout is defined by where a strike is thrown, I think. Although looking as ome of these clips, despite my tripping, I did notice that moving on a void from an attack that I was certain Chris was throwing (that he never did and I simply overreacted to) that I did move offline on that one, at least. Definitely something I'll have to keep in mind more when talking to the guys about what we are doing, though, so such reminders certainly help!

Thanks for all the feedback!

Lenny

P.S. Lance, we end up talking about Hong Kong every now and then anyway simply because such awesome martial arts flicks get made there! Not to mention those great Airsoft stores (somethiong of another guilty little pleasure of mine.) I definitely want to check out those paddeds you are making so expect to hear from me in the near future about ordering a couple.

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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby JeanryChandler » Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:57 pm

Edited, after re-reading your post i see that the third guy was somebody else.

I looked at the clips you posted. Overall, very good, impressive display of agility especially in such a tight space!

One clip was of you fighting three bouts against three different guys, the other was you against a guy with two swords.

Here are my comments:

In the clip where you fought the three guys you seemed to be much more "on" and were fighting better.

Good points for your whole group
Good speed
Excellent fast movement, good voids
Good leg attacks (something we forget to do sometimes)
Good use of false edge cuts. A lot of people including me strike too weak with the false edge, your false edge strikes particularly were very fast and forceful

For lance in particular:
You stay in your guards well
You pick vulnerable targets very quickly and accurately
You are even faster than the other guys and more mobile, and your voids are very good.

In the first bout on the three bout clip you did one very nice void, leaping backward.

In the second bout I saw at least one good hangen parry, though you missed with the counter.

In the third bout there was a very nice one hand sling cut.

Constructive criticism

General:

Stepping as you strike- (you didn't always), a couple of times I think you could have landed hits that missed if you would have stepped in as you struck.

Working from the bind, I think generally you guys might benefit from more practice striking or countering from the bind. It will give you more options.

Snap to guard. Sometimes after striking, you either stop short and reset, or swing around in a rather liesurely (i.e. slow) arc and back into your guard. If you would snap around and reset faster I think you might have more follow up attack opportunitites and would be in a better position to displace attacks.

Lance specifically:
You seemed on a few occasions to step closer than necessary to land a strike, and therefore got hit or mutual death. If you are more careful about the exact distance that you close you can get away with more.

A couple of times, it seemed like your guard was offline. My WMA knowlege is limited so maybe this is a true guard, but sometimes it looked like you were pointing to the side, like halfway between an Alber and a Tail guard. I think this was making your hands vulnerable.

Your opponent in the third bout was making a mistake I make sometimes- he was in a guard between Alber and Pflug, with his sword sticking strait out toward you, or strait up aimed at the sky. If he had it at more of an angle, aimed at your face, I think his hands would be less vulnerable to being hit.

Just a few thoughts,

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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby Alfred Wong » Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:00 pm

Dear Jeanry,

No, it wasn't me, that was Kalun. We've got two big boys in the group. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> If you want to see my clips that you must download them from the RSW-site. I haven't been to the sparring for nearly 5 months due to my exam. You can see my flourysches in a post earlier... (I shall get a clearer head-image.)

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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby M Wallgren » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:28 pm

A couple of times, it seemed like your guard was offline. My WMA knowlege is limited so maybe this is a true guard, but sometimes it looked like you were pointing to the side, like halfway between an Alber and a Tail guard. I think this was making your hands vulnerable.


Witch sid is this on? On the left it could be a Shrankhut(sp?) "The fence guard" (a translation to Swedish then to English), on the right it could be a kind of Isenport (Sp) "Iron Gate" guard. Just a hunch, correct me if I´m wrong.
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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby Alfred Wong » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:52 pm

Dear Wallgren (And to Jeanry),

I think Jeanry is referring to Lance's Boar's tooth. A guard that can be found and commonly known to those who are in research of the Italian system. Please check Fiore's manual.

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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby M Wallgren » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:54 pm

Yepp, youré right!!

Very simillar though, to the Ironguard.
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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby Alfred Wong » Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:07 am

Dear Wallgren,

A full iron door is likely a German nebenhut. While the half iron door is an Alber...

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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby M Wallgren » Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:13 am

Your sertanly right.

But the guards are as I been told transion-points, posisions you pass through in the fluidity, so in the sparring clip Lance will do them all without thinking heres the IG. heres the NH, heres the A...

In a unterhau from your right you will go from the Tail trough them all to the left Ox (kind of)
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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby Alfred Wong » Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:20 am

Dear Martin,

For me - I also have the doubts of the stopping position of unterhau from the Nebenhut (tail).

While there's follow-through, seems to be that ending the sword in a side vom tag will be better - it kinda feels like pulling the sword while a follow through is neccessary to cut through a target. I've heard about stopping in left Ochs, but to me it's just not feeling very right.

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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby M Wallgren » Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:30 am

I see your point!

But you could try to strike from your left Ox in a Oberhau from the left to the Tail on your right by letting your tip of the sword do a circular motion around your head clockwise and then diagonaly down. The underhau the becomes a deflective move and the cuttig more with the tip if it would hit the target.
One of my favourite attacs. Could be done from both sides.
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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby Alfred Wong » Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:44 am

Dear Martin,

I tried to visualize your technique - well I think I will post the video that I took about my solo drill (actually adapted from Lance) is possible. Please check out this thread later, perhaps tomorrow to see if it's okay or not.They seems to be the one that you're talking about.

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Re: The intimidation factor

Postby M Wallgren » Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:53 am

I´ll do that...
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