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The Grossabel ?

Postby John_Clements » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:16 pm

The extra width at the forte is visible here, as is the slight truama suffered by the point. The back of the blade was particularly thick and the sharpened edges especially sharp. There was no question the weapon was for two hands, and confortably so, but one handed was still very light, and the thumb ring made a difference.
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Re: Stockholm Seminar & Research Trip

Postby John_Clements » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:20 pm

This close up shows the unusual design of the hilt and knuckle-guard.
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Re: Stockholm Seminar & Research Trip

Postby John_Clements » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:22 pm

This close up shows the unusual design of the hilt and knuckle-guard.
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Re: Stockholm Seminar & Research Trip

Postby John_Clements » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:32 pm

Inside the rapier case (!!!) examining an especially long blades early 17th century ring hilt rapier, a splendidly light and stiff piece of thick hexagonal blade cross section tapering toward a rounded oval forte at the point.

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Cut & Thrust Flammard

Postby John_Clements » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:36 pm

This was another of the best peices we examined, a 16th century single-hand "wave" or bladed cut & thrust sword, or flammard. This type of blade is known on two-handers and even rapiers, but here was a short sword. It had an unusualy light and small hilt but the blade was very thin edge and quite sharp with a flat but thick center line. There is no question no wthis balde style combines the best elements of straight and curved blades. Truly gorgeous. they were difficult to produce though and are rare as they developed in the last century that swords saw wide use.
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Re: Cut & Thrust Flammard

Postby John_Clements » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:38 pm

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Re: Stockholm Seminar & Research Trip

Postby John_Clements » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:55 pm

We managed to even dig out an authentic poleaxe / bec de corbin, which proved a popular peice to play around with for a bit there in the underground confines of the museum storage. It was surprisingly --very surprisingly so --light and agile for a weapon intended for defeating armor.
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Re: Stockholm Seminar & Research Trip

Postby John_Clements » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:57 pm

A rare original spring-activated "sword catcher" dagger.
Heavier than it looks, but very sturdy and still quite operational. No doubts now for us that it could indeed have stopped and trapped a sword cut.
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Re: Stockholm Seminar & Research Trip

Postby Guest » Thu Apr 24, 2003 6:05 pm

Excellent Photos John! I wish I could have been there! I'm looking forward to meeting some of the scholars from Swedan.
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Re: Stockholm Seminar & Research Trip

Postby Guest » Fri Apr 25, 2003 4:16 am

You lucky fellow <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
Wow I've seen pieces among you pictures that could be the quintessential C&amp;T sword I thought was missing.
Is the one C&amp;T handled by Ake a Pappenheimer?
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Re: Stockholm Seminar & Research Trip

Postby Joachim Nilsson » Fri Apr 25, 2003 6:38 am

Oh my..... <img src="/forum/images/icons/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Looks like I really missed out on something there...
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Re: Stockholm Seminar & Research Trip

Postby Guest » Fri Apr 25, 2003 11:16 am

Don't worry, Jocke, the local ARMA people might arrange more visits. The Royal Armoury is pretty welcoming to new students of ancient weapons, so just keep your eyes open. The visit in this thread was a special event for our guest, as we couldn't access the RA last time John was in Stockholm due to the grand opening of an exhibition.

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Re: Stockholm Seminar & Research Trip

Postby Joachim Nilsson » Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:15 pm

Björn,
really? That would be great! Because... Look at them two-handers. And the pole-axe! And! Mmmmmmmmm....... Old weapons.... *gargle*
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Re: Stockholm Seminar & Research Trip

Postby Guest » Fri Apr 25, 2003 4:47 pm

One piece you might be interested in is this early 16th C twohanded saber. It's one of my favourites.

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