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Stature and weapon choice

Postby Mike Habib » Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:16 pm

Over the years, I have focused primarily on what most would consider to be "light weapons", working mostly to recreate the techniques and skills of lighter infantry. Small blades (22" or less), thrown weapons, and short spears being prime examples.

Now, with some of the recent threads on dopplehander swords, as well as conversations with friends that share my interests, I have become curious to try my hand at learning a larger weapon.

But there's a catch: I weigh a wopping 120 lbs. I am not a big person. In fact, I am a rather small person. This has led me to several questions that may be of general interest:

1) How much should stature play a role in realistic weapon choice?

2) Is someone going to learn anything valuable using a weapon that they would have been unlikely to have wielded historically (had they been alive at the time)?

3) Any refs or knowledge about how weapon/body build matches were made historically?

And two of a more personal nature:
4) If my trainer blade is of correct weight and balance, am I still going to be tempting fate trying to control the torque on a true two-handed sword?

5) I am used to using agility to make up for lack of total power. Is this going to be effective with a true two-hander?

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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:08 pm

Well, our local study group has a number of very small women (5'0" 110 pounds soaking wet). They use standard wasters (which may be almost as tall as they are) and do just fine with them. These weapons don't weigh much. An average longsword is around 3 pounds.

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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby Mike Chidester » Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:11 pm

I'm 5' 6", 160 lbs. I prefer a larger weapon (greatswords are best, though I usually use a longsword), because it helps even out my reach dissadvantage. The difference in weight is negligible.
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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby John_Schmidt » Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:08 pm

Hey Guys,

I'm 6' 2" and 175 pounds and and because of my weakness at grappling range I like to make my already long reach longer with the use of staffs and spears. !!!Stay out Of My Bubble!!!
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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby JeffGentry » Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:05 am

Hey John

I'm 6' 2" and 175 pounds and and because of my weakness at grappling range I like to make my already long reach longer with the use of staffs and spears. !!!Stay out Of My Bubble!!!


I am 6' 175 or so and if you get within my reach i'll be the first to go to grappling, i don't see my height as a disadvantage in grappling, shoot my leg's knee in the face, i guess it is all in the way you look at thing's, lol. <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby TimSheetz » Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:09 am

Mike,

Like most folks have indicated already, size influences the comabt's resolution, but it doesn not have to severely impact your weapon choice.

I think once you get your hands on a standard sized waster and get a feel for how to make it move you will not notice any size issue.

If you really feel the weapon is too long you can stand it in front of you and adjust its length so it reaches the height of your arm pits (or threrabouts). that should give you a decently proportional length at the cost of increasing your reach.

It is all a balancing act. Weighing the pros and cons of speed, agility, mass on target and reach. I think only you will know the correct answer when you find it! :-)

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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby SzabolcsWaldmann » Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:38 am

Twohanders should not be used as other swords. If you wield one, you use your body-weightpoint to keep the blade flying. It needs much movement, static twohander technics are almost no good. I just start to understand that wonderful weapon myself, but this is clear: you are slower with it than with a bastard sword, for example. So if you don't want to be slaughtered until you start your move (which will end in a lethal strike most of the time) you need to keep moving, so you are always _behind_ yer blade. Image this: there you have your own weightpoint, and the tip of your sword. in the middle of these two there is a point I call the 'turning point'. This is the spot you need to be moving around to defend yourself.
If you are defending, you close in to that point, if you are striking, you get away from it, creating a huge blow, like Zornhau.
With this in mind, wielding a twohander is rather a question of fitness and velocity than body size.

Altough these are only my own interpretations.

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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby Mike Habib » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:42 pm

Thanks to all for the insights; all very much appreciated. It seems as if balance and agility helps a great deal with wielding larger swords. Much more than I anticipated by the sounds of things, which builds my confidence in the idea some.

I shall have to see. At least now I have a better starting point. I will post info on any citations I dig up regarding historical references to the effects of size.

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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby Jack Lynn » Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:49 pm

I'd actually disagree with the general consensus and say that stature is an important issue when handling certain weapons. The fact is, with the really big swords, I have seen that some small and light fighters have trouble controlling their weapons. When your dealing with a very long sword a bit of weight to counter balance it is really helpful. That isn’t to say that a small fighter can’t handle these weapons, it just might be a little more difficult.

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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby Casper Bradak » Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:26 am

I don't think stature is much of a factor, but strength and ability.
Unless you're talking about a midget with a zweihander.
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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby Stacy Clifford » Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:47 pm

I'm 5' 6" and the only real problem I've experienced with longer swords is keeping the tip from hitting the ground on a downward strike. The shorter you are, the closer your hands are to the ground, so it shortens your follow-through on vertical cuts and alters its trajectory a little bit on full-arm diagonals. I think a longer handle also binds up a little more against shorter arms in certain situations, but I haven't noticed it to be a problem. Otherwise I don't find much problem adjusting to the balance of a greatsword.
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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby Shane Smith » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:44 pm

I think height and stature is an advantage just as being physically fit is advantage,but is not the be-all and end-all of fencing.

As a tall guy,I also favor longer blades with 39" making me just about happy.I feel undergunned with a 36incher <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby Brian Hunt » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:18 pm

Hey Casper,

you have to watch out for midgets armed with swords, they will cut your knee caps off faster than you can blink. <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby David_Knight » Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:49 pm

For what it's worth, George Silver devotes a few pages of his Paradoxes of Defence to the correct proportions between weapon length and height.

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Re: Stature and weapon choice

Postby Casper Bradak » Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:23 pm

You're right, I should've specified. I'm not afraid of a midget who only tries an unterhau with a zweihander. But then again, wouldn't all his cuts technically be unterhau?
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