messer fechtbuch

[Dylan palmer]

one last post for today i was wondering if anyone knows where when i can find some traslated messer materail other than whats one schielhau.org

[Shane Smith]

Buy a copy of the "Codex Wallerstein". It has a good section on messer along with longsword etc.

[Jake_Norwood]

It's good--very good--but also very short. Same with Talhoffer.

Jake

[GaryGrzybek]

Yea, unfortunately most of the Messer stuff is short. <img src="/forum/images/icons/frown.gif" alt="" />

[Brian Hunt]

Don't forget to look at Dusack manuals as well. In comparison of Mair's Dusack to some of the messer materials that we have out there, I have found a couple of Mair's Dusack plates that are identical to a couple of messer plates. I would argue that most of what is done in the Dusack manuals will work just fine for a messer.

Brian Hunt
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[GaryGrzybek]

Good point about the Dusack. I guess that's an area I haven't paid much attention too. It's also amazing how much relation there is between Longsword and Messer. Well, as soon as I get the funds together for another Messer waster I'll continue experimenting in more depth.

[Jaron Bernstein]

Albrecht Durer's manual has some messer plates. Let me know if ye need a link.

[Dylan palmer]

ok i found it.

[Matthew_Anderson]

Well, of course, Hans Leckuchner is the king of messer fechten manuals. His book is over 300 pages of nothing but messer. The bad news is, there is no complete English translation that I know of. Someone really needs to get to work on this. Lots of other sources have a few pages of messer material however and really, if you are familiar with longsword, the guards and general principles are somewhat similar.

[Matt Easton]

There are a couple of things on our website that might be of use:

First we have all of Durer there:
http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/topics/

and Fiore's sword in one hand section (which can be used with a messer very easily):
http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/getty/swordonehand.html

All the best,
Matt

[Brian Hunt]

Hey Matt,

In case I haven't mentioned it to you, you have done really nice work on your website, especially the Fiore translations you have up.

looking forward to the armoured sword section. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

Brian Hunt
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[Matt Easton]

Thanks - yeah, I really must get round to putting the rest up.. Other people have been asking for the mounted stuff as well (which is really fun to read and go through, even if I can't ride well enough to try it yet).

Matt

[Brian Hunt]

The mounted section is one area I am going to have to let others work with. I love horses, but when I ride one for 3 hours, I sneeze for 3 days. <img src="/forum/images/icons/ooo.gif" alt="" />

Brian Hunt
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