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New video demo - displacing diagonal cuts

Postby John_Clements » Tue May 29, 2007 10:43 am

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Re: New video demo - displacing diagonal cuts

Postby Matthew_Anderson » Tue May 29, 2007 12:10 pm



Yep, that's some good stuff right there. I find that if I I cut with realistic speed and intent in response to a big zorn that is coming at me in range and on target, I will almost always catch my opponents blade with my edge mostly on his flat, displacing him just enough while my blade tracks right on to his arms, torso, or head. The only time it ends in a hard edge to edge impact is if one or the other of us pulls the cut or strikes with an unrealistic speed or trajectory. It's really important when doing these displacements that they be done as if you are actually trying to cut each other. If either of you anticipates the displacement or tries to cheat by turning the blade in a weird way, or slows it down too much, it just doesn't work. The footwork is important too, it works best IMO with the diagonal passing step that is seen several times in the video. Nice job!
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Postby Craig Peters » Tue May 29, 2007 8:06 pm

I'd just like to second what Matt's said here. I've found over and over again that people who try to move their sword mid-cut reflexively to protect themselves are the ones who end up with sword edges striking against each other. The exericse has to be done with the idea that the person attacking is committed to striking as though they intended to kill their opponent. In that context, things work fine, but the moment the line of the strike starts to waver or distort mid cut, things get messed up.

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Re: New video demo - displacing diagonal cuts

Postby Randall Pleasant » Tue May 29, 2007 9:49 pm

One thing that strongly stands out to me in the video is that John's body and sword position, especially near the end, is almost identical to the body and sword position in the Zorn-to-Zorn image of the Paulus Kal manual (see the following link).

http://www.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/Kal/Kal10.jpg
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Re: New video demo - displacing diagonal cuts

Postby John_Clements » Wed May 30, 2007 8:04 am

Randall Pleasant wrote:One thing that strongly stands out to me in the video is that John's body and sword position, especially near the end, is almost identical to the body and sword position in the Zorn-to-Zorn image of the Paulus Kal manual (see the following link).

http://www.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/Kal/Kal10.jpg


Yes, thanks. That's the one where the figure on the left counter-striking is depicted with his blade turned to strike edge on flat. Look at how the cross and back of the sword are clearly drawn at an angle. There are other obvious examples of this in many other works.

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Postby JeffGentry » Thu May 31, 2007 4:43 am

Hey John

I notice in the video Aaron step's straight in and you traverse somewhat to your right, what kind of effect do you get if both of you traverse right when he come's in with the cut?

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Postby John_Clements » Thu May 31, 2007 1:31 pm

JeffGentry wrote:Hey John

I notice in the video Aaron step's straight in and you traverse somewhat to your right, what kind of effect do you get if both of you traverse right when he come's in with the cut?

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LOL. That's funny. I'll let Aaron come on here and address that, since I complained to him after that he was doing just that and I needed him to traverse...which as I explained to the attendees present, makes the displacements work even better. You'll see this in our next longer clip we filmed right after this.

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Postby Brian Hunt » Thu May 31, 2007 2:54 pm

Glad to see this type of video being posted. Wish it played better for me, it is jerky and stops in the middle while the sound continues then jumps forward. I downloaded the video and I have the latest player, so I don't know why it isn't playing well for me.

Please keep em coming.

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Postby JeffGentry » Thu May 31, 2007 5:16 pm

John_Clements wrote:
JeffGentry wrote:Hey John

I notice in the video Aaron step's straight in and you traverse somewhat to your right, what kind of effect do you get if both of you traverse right when he come's in with the cut?

Jeff


LOL. That's funny. I'll let Aaron come on here and address that, since I complained to him after that he was doing just that and I needed him to traverse...which as I explained to the attendees present, makes the displacements work even better. You'll see this in our next longer clip we filmed right after this.

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I guess great mind's think a like. :lol:

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Postby Aaron Pynenberg » Thu May 31, 2007 7:07 pm

great Minds Jeff.....? Scary..anyway yes, John did let me have it for coming in straight at him a few times. An interesting training note however is that if you train that way it's actually harder to make everything work. So when things are harder in training it makes things easier when not....but since we are in reality always training, traversing to practice these cuts is a good idea.

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Postby JeffGentry » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:40 am

Aaron Pynenberg wrote:great Minds Jeff.....? Scary..anyway yes, John did let me have it for coming in straight at him a few times. An interesting training note however is that if you train that way it's actually harder to make everything work. So when things are harder in training it makes things easier when not....but since we are in reality always training, traversing to practice these cuts is a good idea.


Are you saying i don't have a great mind? :shock:

It appeared JC was pulling back his sword just a bit to avoid hitting you because you were coming straight in, I am on our group alot about using the angle's and not moving in or out in a straight line, It does make displacement's easier because the footwork and angle changes the distance, like the manual's say a good displacement should bring you to one of the four hanging's which is exactly what it was doing.

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Postby Aaron Pynenberg » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:23 pm

No Jeff...your mind is great, in fact all the posting you have done has sharpened your intelect 5 times over the average mortals. Now, all you need is a rouge ship so you can wake the rest of your kind and take over the galaxy..ha..ha..ha (evil laugh)- OK j/k-

All the things you said are true, and make sense. As a change though sometimes it's good to have everyone practice against strikes not performed so perfectly on purpose. It alows one to be a better judge of the ranges and angles. It also demos what is not perfect, as seldom do all strikes come in on that same path.

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Postby Brent Lambell » Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:09 pm

Excellent videos. I think the videos are incredibly helpful in showing ideas and concepts vital to fencing, I find myself picking up on small details that help me greatly.

Thank you for the continued effort in offering as much training media as possible.

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Postby Jay Vail » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:34 am

The opening sequence makes the case very well. It shows that if you apply the setasides and displacements properly, you do not have edge-edge contact.

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Postby Grant Hall » Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:42 am

Am I the only one who can't get the videos to work? And mean any of them??

Maybe its time for a new computer, there goes any thoughts on getting that new sword :(
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