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Re: Raven's Wasters

Postby GaryGrzybek » Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:18 pm

They certainly are attractive. I would also like to see them with scent stopper pommels.

Are the hilt components made of purpleheart or are they just stained?
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Re: Raven's Wasters

Postby Shane Smith » Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:38 pm

Hey Gary,
We in VAB own several of these wasters.They handle and hold up very well. Ours actually have scent-stopper pommels as they were earlier models.Raven will provide them on request however.We initially gave them feedback here locally after training with the original weapons and finding a design flaw or two with the prototypes. The folks at Little-Raven listened and as a result,they are now turning out what I feel to be the best waster going for the price. The workmanship on the several here is superb and the balance is very nice.And yes,that is purpleheart at the hilt. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Raven's Wasters

Postby joelthompson1 » Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:28 pm

I'd just like to throw my two cents in here. If you check their site, there are choices of different woods for the handles, pommels, and guards. I really like my waster. Mine is just like Shane's. Handles great, holds up well. We don't baby our wasters at ARMA VAB, and these are holding up very well. Just a few dents, no splintering or anything. I believe the one Cathy Ferrier has suffered a small bit of splintering. However, that one is less beefy and had a squared off edge before we sanded it down. But even this early model is still fuctionuing well against many heavier weapons. Raven Studios has listened to our feedback and they have redesigned a really nice and functional tool. Compared to other makers who offer wasters at about the same price, these Ravens are way out in front IMO. I noticed that on the site, the basic longsword handle is listed at 7 inches. This seems a bit short to me. I need a longer handle for my big hands, but I believe 7 inches is still a bit short. Raven is very accomodating, however, so don't be afraid to ask for some customizing on your waster. I have just ordered my second one to have as a backup since, eventually, my current one will wear out. Overall, the best buy on the current market IMHO.

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Re: Raven's Wasters

Postby GaryGrzybek » Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:02 pm

Thanks Shane, it's good to see vendors accept feedback and make ajustments depending on the need of the practitioner. It seems that some fall short of simple requirements after a while. They do look nice, I just wish I could justify a purchase right now <img src="/forum/images/icons/frown.gif" alt="" />
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Raven's Wasters

Postby John_Clements » Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:41 pm

I got two Raven Studios' wasters recently and had the chance to play with them. They are very nicely made, with good clean lines and balance. The distinct hilt construction is a nice change from other models. The great-sword is one of the longest wasters of its kind I have seen (other than the immense true two-handed variety) and would be a very good size for taller practitioners. Strangely though, it is especially light, and we found this somewhat disconcerting for a weapon of this size. A bit more mass would make it much more robust. It even seemed lighter than the shorter longsword model. The longsword is also very nice and handles quite well and has a distinctive look of its own. However, the blade is unnecessarily wide for half its length and surely could be trimmed a quarter inch or so. We felt the cross guard was just a little bit short and for functionality could be an inch longer, although this is not critical. The cross also seemed a bit too thin and to withstand practice we'd feel much more comfortable with one a bit thicker (like on the great-sword). The handle could also probably be lengthened a half inch to an inch, although again, this is not a crucial matter. We found the longsword's grip quite nice overall and wished the great-sword had the same feel, as that handle seemed a tad too slender for such a large blade. The handles themselves are sandwiched and connected by rivets, which is different.

In sum, I was impressed with and pleased by these wasters. They are very original and its good to finally have another reputable maker available. Though, I certainly would like to see them offered with pommels other than the flat wheel variety, such as plum or scent-stopper or round knob forms. I'm told this may be forthcoming. I have no reservations about recommending them.

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Re: Raven's Wasters

Postby Chris Readle » Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:41 pm

I've used all of the VAB groups wasters to one degree or another, and they all have round ball type pommels, which Raven still offers, though you need to request it special for now to get it, though it will soon be an option on the website.

I'm currently working with Carina at Raven on mine, and I'm getting the same dimensions as Joel and Shane, which are 38" blade and 11" purple heart hilt.

These things have taken a pounding in all the training sessions I've been in; they even stand up well to Joels Wooden Weapons 1.5ish weight monster, taking only minor dings. The cross on the long sword seems small, but in drills and other exercises works well and seems to get the job done.

In particular, (for me at least) the balance on Joels waster is fantastic. It sits lightly in your hand and just *begs* you to bludgeon something with it.

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Re: Raven's Wasters

Postby robrobertson » Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:36 pm

Which do you prefer, the New Stirling or Raven?

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Re: Raven's Wasters

Postby Chris Readle » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:13 pm

One of the other guys in the group has a New Sterling Perfect waster, and I quite like that one as well. However, that particular waster is *considerably* lighter than Joel and Shanes Raven models, and about the same weight as Cathy's. Moreover, it seems to be either a) balanced hilt heavy or b) just *so* light that it would be brushed aside easily by a heavier weapon.

Overall, I like the dimensions and the look and feel of the New Stirling waster, and the construction seems sound, though I've not seen it take as heavy a beating as the Raven models (the guy who owns that one can't attend training sessions as regularly as he (and we) would like).

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Re: Raven's Wasters

Postby joelthompson1 » Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:23 am

The Raven wasters are available at www.little-raven.com. Sorry, I guess we forgot to post that. Or just do a search for Raven Studios.

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Re: Raven's Wasters

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:33 pm

I am quite partial to my NSA waster. 1. It balances veeery well., 2. It has a nice big cross.

How does the Raven balance? Is is blade heavy?

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Re: Raven's Wasters

Postby joelthompson1 » Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:13 pm

That's my favorite part of my Raven. The balance is excellent. Best I've handled for a waster. Makes my Wooden Weapons longsword seem like a klunky monster. I now use that one for strength training. No kidding. Chris Readle had a sprained wrist, and he borrowed it (the Wooden Weapons one) for that very reason.

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Re: Raven's Wasters

Postby Tony_Indurante » Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:34 pm

I purchased a NSA and I'm very happy with it- but I still use my Wooden Weapons one for most of my training. Now if I could just will CASI into making one of those Paul Chen practicals at a size large enough for a longsword.
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Re: Raven's Wasters

Postby Jake_Norwood » Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:18 am

I've got one of these Ravens (actually, I have the greatsword pictured above).

It's definitely a bit light for a greatsword, but it handles wonderfully despite the wheel pommel. The dimensions seem like they were made for *me*.

I can't speak for durability (I'm all alone at the moment), but hopefully that will change soon.

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