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Sharing : Sparring video

Postby Alfred Wong » Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:47 am

These two video are from the last Sunday's (28-11-04) sparring session. Please feel free to comment...

Lancelot vs Alfred
http://lancelot.servehttp.com/28-11-04/Lancelot%20vs%20Alfred%2028-11-04.mpg

Ben vs Alfred
http://lancelot.servehttp.com/28-11-04/Ben%20vs%20Alfred%2028-11-04.mpg

Billy vs Alfred
http://lancelot.servehttp.com/28-11-04/Billy%20vs%20Alfred%2028-11-04.mpg

I don't really know if the strikes I keep making are sort of a "parting strike" or not? I kind of feel like it is.
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Re: Sharing : Sparring video

Postby Shawn Cathcart » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:48 pm

A few suggestions

- there seems to be an over-reliance on one-handed slip cuts. While these do have a use, I'd argue its rather limited and has a very specific time and place. The problem with cartwheeling a single hand cut around is edge alignment. Try test cutting using the technique in the manner in which you spar and see how effective it is. The other problem is that against an experienced fighter, you have a rather large recovery tme from such a technique, with no possibilitie of binding his sword should your cut miss, that would likely be exploited.
- I notice especially in the clip against Ben, lots of cuts across the lead leg, as in your torso is twisting across your hips to make the cut. This does bad things to your balance, and the power of your cuts which I think you'll notice. You make one, maybe two cuts and then stop. This is likely due to footwork and balance being off even after a couple cuts, thus requiring you to stop and start over. Try working on passing steps to make good solid cuts, and commit to them. Ben seems an entirely defensive fighter, never giving an intial cut, always waiting for a cut. This can be frustrating to figure out at first as they always seem to be running backwards so you end up chasing them all over. The problem being, Ben seems to rarely be in distance to give a proper counter, so his constant retreats aren't necessarily gaining him much. If you step out, you should do something with the time you've just bought yourself. Plus straight back is not the only way in which to step out.
- don't stand in guards so long. You'll likely notice you are all getting a lot of hits across the hands. Its likely because it becomes obvious, after standing in a certain guard for so long, where the cut is coming from. Switch more often, or rather when you switch make a cut quickly. All you need to keep in mind regarding your opponents guard is what targets it leaves open...quickly attack one and go from there. What can also happen is over time, getting enough cuts on the hands, you can start to get a little gunshy, therefore always pulling short your cuts at the first sign of a counter...The problem being you never give a cut that needs to be set aside directly and instead pull your own hands back onto the countering cut.
- try and figure out initiative. As most of us have experienced there is a sense of racing. Both of you executing an offensive technique in hopes yours will land first, this is the most common cause of double kills. Its in your own best interest to know when you have initiative and when you do not, when to attack, and when you must protect yourself before doing so.

Just a few thought, hope you find them helpful.

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Re: Sharing : Sparring video

Postby Alfred Wong » Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:40 pm

Dear Shawn,

I must thanks for your reply, they are truly helpful and they strike the right weakness that I have. A friend of mine really doubt about the single handed strikes' effectiveness. I think it is useful, but yet must be nicely practised.

I also found that my footwork seems to lag back my attack. I must say that I am not very keen on practising footwork, you really got me <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

I do agree the hand thing. I think another problem is that, I commited my hands before striking. Also, I do have problem dealing with plow... the so called "four openings" seems to be a little hard to apply when sparring, can you suggest some way to improve that please?

Timing is another weakness of mine. I must practise more!

Thanks for your advices again <img src="/forum/images/icons/cool.gif" alt="" /> ,
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Postby JeffGentry » Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:02 am

Hey Alfred

If you go to schielhau.org and go to the Meyer text in chapter 3, Of the stance's or gaurds, he tell's you what gaurd's protect what opening's, i don't know them word for word, i do have the basic's in my head though and it does help when i am in the long of the fight, trying to find an opening.
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Postby JeanryChandler » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:25 am

Is there a good interpretation of Meyer available? I know Meyer is much clearer than most of the other Masters but I found that I had a much better time understanding Peter Lindholms Ringeck interpretation than any of the other books I own or have seen online.

I would love to see something like that for Meyer.

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Postby JeanryChandler » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:32 am

I agree with a lot of Seans comments. In general, it often looks like y'all cut very lightly, your hits sometimes don't seem really hard.

As Lance and I discussed, this 'sharp shooting' technique has a lot of value, but it should really be only one trick in your repertoire, you should be ready to try other tactics, especially when you both are aware this is the tactic being used.

I reccomend some test cutting and playing with blunts if you can get your hands on some. Even cutting with a cheap machete will give you some idea how cuts work and dont work. Perhaps also some slightly heavier and or longer weapons.

I think what Sean said about iniative is very insightful as well, and quite true.

On the plus side, I think your form has improved, you are learning not to be pulled out by a feint, your guards are more solid, you are fast and have good situational awareness and quick response time. Your opponents seem to be improving as well (if they are some of the same guys I've seen in Lance's other clips).

Overall, I think you are close to mastering this one patented technique and should start to explore about some others. You are clearly growing in skill.

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Re: Sharing : Sparring video

Postby Lance Chan » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:46 am

I agree on the need of test cutting part. Alfred could use some on that and see the reason why I always ask him not to lean too forward to do the false edge upward cut... even it will reach the opponent easier (he hit me that way at least once), it generate less force for you can only use your arm-strength to conduct the cut without a stable stance. False edge upward cut is less powerful and difficult than the true edge counterpart by nature. If the launching platform is not stable and providing power, the cuts won't be very effective on clothed target surface.

On the up side, he did land his strikes on me with enough force to do damage. Just not the "optimum" force for maximum stopping power without deforming the stance. Sometimes I wonder why he could do the single legged leaning forward upward cut with enough power... maybe that's something to do with his body mass? ;P

The test cutting Alfred has done in the past was not "in context of sparring", which means he struck the target without paying attention to follow through and maintaining a proper stance. He used to throw himself to the target without any regard of being counterstrike by the opponent. Then of course, a pork and tatami omote won't strike back.. but I dun think that's a good way to practice test cutting.

I think it is time for him to get a sharp and start test cutting in context sense. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Postby Alfred Wong » Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:05 am

And I'm truly looking forward to the squire line from Albion...

It seems that I saved up half already...
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Postby Alfred Wong » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:01 am

Dear Jeff,

Thanks, will see it later today.
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Re: Sharing : Sparring video

Postby JeffGentry » Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:21 am

Hey Jeanry

The thing with the text on schielhau is it is an interpretation there is no outside explanation by anyone you have to read the text and figure it out which is what i like because that way it seem's to be less tainted, in so far as my translation of certain thing's change over time as my skill's improve or change as do most other's they just have problem's going back and doing a rewrite,lol, Meyer though is a fairly good technical writer so he explain's thing's fairly well you still have to do the trial and error on alot of the technique's.

Jake Norwood has a Meyer study guide in the member's area too.
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Postby Anthony Boyd » Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:50 am

Alfred,

When I met you this past summer, I was impressed with your hand speed. I'm pleased to see in these clips that it has improved as has your accuracy.
Perhaps the next thing to work on is flying tackles...?
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Postby Lance Chan » Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:02 am

More videos of the day are hosted here:
http://www.rsw.com.hk/activities.htm
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Postby Lance Chan » Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:09 am

I agree. Added with that fact that he's young and energetic, which means he's capable to affording more actions, some feints and some true, I am feeling that my ass is getting kicked more and more. :P

Sparring him and Parke reminded me that I should be more aggressive. Strike first before someone made out a plan to use on me. :|

Getting old isn't funny. haha
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Postby Anthony Boyd » Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:13 am

That's the problem when you are the champ... everybody is working hard to take you down. <img src="/forum/images/icons/ooo.gif" alt="" />

Adapting, changing and working to develop in areas that challenge you - learning to fight a more aggressive bout as you mentioned - seems like the wisest course of action.

Either that or develop Ki-powered flight. <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Postby Lance Chan » Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:23 am

You're right. Because of these challenges I've worked on getting close and still be able to attack at grappling range when fighting a spear... now they can't just casually grapple me down when I got that close because they'll always found a pommel knocking their heads. ;D

I've sent you my upcoming secret plans on email.
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