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New Weapon/Technique

Postby Matthew_Anderson » Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:15 pm

Just thought I'd share a picture of an unusal weapon Shane and I have been experimenting with. You can see that I'm really baffled, not only by the weapon itself, but by Shane's fighting stance as well <img src="/forum/images/icons/laugh.gif" alt="" /> :

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Re: New Weapon/Technique

Postby JeanryChandler » Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:22 pm

Looks like a device for testing mail against cuts or thrusts. Any reason not to lodge it in the ground? How does the mail hold up?

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P.S. Your armor looks awesome. Do they make that in fat-albert size?
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Re: New Weapon/Technique

Postby Brian Hunt » Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:08 am

Hi Matt,

Is that mail your preparing to thrust at riveted, welded or butted? Also how well did it hold up to your thrusts/strikes. I like the idea of a target that will move under the impact of a strike or thrust for this type of test, it makes it more realistic than say draping it accross a log or something. Please tell us more.

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Re: New Weapon/Technique

Postby Matthew_Anderson » Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:36 am

Yes, this was from a thrusting test against some cheap riveted maille we did last year. That Del Tin sword went through the maille like it was butter, separating the links, which broke at the rivet point. Later, Shane did a similar test with some better, denser maille and the maille held up much better, only allowing the point about 1 1/2 inches into the maillle, and not really breaking any of the links.

Here's the thrust:
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And the result: Image

Here's a test dummy we used a couple of years ago to test some swords. This poor guy really took a beating!
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Re: New Weapon/Technique

Postby Lance Chan » Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:05 am

Man, no kidding! That guy in mail looks really poor.... :| I sympathize him. :|

(u guys should make him more scary so I won't feel sorry imagine him being hit by you! ....)

Anyway, good job!
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Re: New Weapon/Technique

Postby Shane Smith » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:18 pm

At the Meyer event in Tennessee a while back, as stated,I tested the very same sword from the thrust against some alternated welded/solid link maille made by George Turner. I managed to deform a link or two, but the maille as provided by George was unimpressed by my efforts although the first inch of that slender blade always made it through before being bound by the rings as I recall <img src="/forum/images/icons/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />

I also test cut against it over a cardboard tube with my heavy XIIIa warsword with no effect beyond deformed links.
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Re: New Weapon/Technique

Postby steve hick » Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:00 pm

Impressive.

And remembering that until late medieval times, the consistent uniformity of the material wasn't there (you might have inclusions of different quality iron or steel) the tests with the poorer armor might represent the results against all but the most expensively made equipment until late period.

Do you have any impression about the effect of the helmet blow? What kind of suspension/padding do you use? Rope and horsehair? I'd suspect I'd be speaking in tongues if I were to be clobbered like that..... (but it depends on the suspension almost as much).

Nice testing.

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Re: New Weapon/Technique

Postby Matthew_Anderson » Sat Mar 12, 2005 6:37 pm

My general feeling is that although the testing wasn't really very scientific, it does give us some general idea of the effect of weapons on armour. Our intent this particular day was actually sword testing. We began with relatively light, easily cut targets and progressed to harder targets and eventually to whacking maille and plate armour. Some of the swords were destroyed, some sustained minor damage and some were completely unharmed. As far as the damage to someone wearing the armour, I think it would have been substantial. A man wearing that helm, for instance, would certainly have been injured, perhaps knocked unconcious, maybe even killed. It would certainly have been a "bell ringer". Of course, without a helmet, one would have zero chance of surviving a direct sword blow to the head. The helmet didn't have a liner, it was just stuck on top of a folded up towel on top of the wooden stand.

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Re: New Weapon/Technique

Postby robrobertson » Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:14 am

Matt,
What guage of steel is the helm made of?
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Re: New Weapon/Technique

Postby David Kite » Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:43 am

Cool! So what swords were tested and which were destroyed?

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Re: New Weapon/Technique

Postby Shane Smith » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:51 pm

The helm was an 18 gauge barbute.
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Re: New Weapon/Technique

Postby Matthew_Anderson » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:31 pm

Rob, it was a cheap 18ga. helm
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