The Padded Weapon Dilemma;

[Lance Chan]

No, I haven't switched my core material yet. Though experiment with new materials may be done in the future. If I got any finding, I'll inform you for sure!

[TimSheetz]

HI Gary,

What do you mean, "Yea Tim, if you don't break them that's all the confidence I need to start building my own "?

Are you implying I hit too hard?

Actually they worked out well so far.

Actually couldn't find a rating "schedule XX" - everything was in mm! I eyeballed the thickness of the pipe walls, and picked a mm diameter equivalent to 1/2 inch diameter.

I am pushing the envelop on length for the two handed swords but the LOW PROFILE hilt really lets you work the hand position well - first time witha padded weapon wherre the thumb grips were easily viable.

The hilts do bend pretty easy - I hope they last. After refocusing some of my thuggish guys on using long sword TECHNIQUES then I felt better about letting them use my new ones.

I made a cut and thrust and a large messer as well. I think the messer is on its way to being a favorite - I based it from my memory of a piece tha John had held in a weapons collection - a single edged curved blade with a two handed grip and a knuckle guard...

The guard is made from heavy wire, wrapped with foam and electrical tape.

I made a number of knives and we ended our trainng with some multiple opponent knife fighting. Good training.

I'll keep you posted on how they hold up.

Tim

[GaryGrzybek]

Oh no Tim, I didn't imply anything like that <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> Your as gentle as a lamb <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />

Anyway, it sounds promising so I'll plan on a pair of longswords before long. A few messers would be nice too.

[leam hall]

Tim scribeth: "PS: How's Matt's hand?"

To Which I ask "You mean the blood splattering over the floor as I took off my glove episode?"

Or have you been abusing some other Scholar? <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

[TimSheetz]

HAHA Leam,

I was asking very early in the thread about Matt's (from VAB) hand... I asked so long ago I don't even know what I am referring too in the post.

But I do remember your finger being split inside the glove... I am sure it was becasue your skin was dry and you didn't use enough hand lotion on them. It couldn't be from me hitting hard with intent. Plus, if you don't want your hands hit don't put them in the way.

And I am "training" with (not abusing) some folks. They seem to keep coming to train at 0530 in the morning. I certainly don't want folks to say they don't have time to train... you have to MAKE the time, Ranger.

Trust me, you haven't lived til you are fighting using daggers against the post chaplain using a messer and dagger and coming to grips and ringen and finally ending with a good knifing.


I actually had one guy step out for a respite since he was having some carpal tunnel issues and another leaves this summer for Japan.


I will be adding a new guy in August most likely who has been an SCA guy for a long time and really just likes to fight, and seems to not have any rope play or ego issues so I am hopeful...

he did say, "That I have never been hit by a long sword wielder when I used my sword and shield."

To that I replied, "You will."


I enjoy having new targetry - I mean! - new training partners.

Best regards,

Tim Sheetz

[TimSheetz]

UPDATE on Weapon damage: Actually had a couple of padding failures - where the padding ripped down to the core - ironically hitting against another weapon. NO!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT EDGE TO EDGE!!!!!

I think that obliques strikes actually created enough shear to rip them perpendicular to the core. A little strapping tape and some more duct tape and they'll be back in action.

Tim

[Jaron Bernstein]

"Trust me, you haven't lived til you are fighting using daggers against the post chaplain using a messer and dagger and coming to grips and ringen and finally ending with a good knifing."

I am shocked that a man of the cloth would use tools of violence! We all know that weapons and religion aren't related in any way....
<img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />

[JeanryChandler]

Did you use the orthopedic foam for the flat?

DB

[Ray Brunk]

*****he did say, "That I have never been hit by a long sword wielder when I used my sword and shield."

To that I replied, "You will."

again &amp; again &amp; again.................

OOOOOHH! I envy you for that first sparring session with him.
Enlightenment is a good thing.
Good luck with the new members.

[Matthew_Anderson]

Tim: he did say, "That I have never been hit by a long sword wielder when I used my sword and shield."

To that I replied, "You will."

Yep, I've sparred with some SCA "sword and board" guys and it's always a rude awakening for them the first time you hit them in the shin or ankle. They don't allow strikes from the knee down in the SCA.

[JeffGentry]

Hey Matt

"Sword and board" i love that.lol

Jeff

[Brian Hunt]

The other thing that gets them is when you grab the outside edge of their sheild with your left hand, and turn them with it, and hit them in the side, or the back of the head. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

At least this one has worked for me for when they charge in close (as SCA sword and board guys are apt to do), I have then done this after I have bound their sword, or as they pull back for a strike.

Brian Hunt
GFS.

[TimSheetz]

Hi Jaron,

Actually he was prior service Infantry and has since transitioned into his current calling. Of course, you have to like a Chaplain that has a fairly decent knife collection...

We all have to remember that there are appropriate times for many things that would normally be considered outrageous by main stream thinking folks... and that is OK.

I like the topic of Religion and the role of violence in life... but it would be out of place on this forum, so feel free to PM or email if you'd like to discuss.

Peace,

Tim

[TimSheetz]

Hi Jeanry.

I used the foam that I could find here in Italy at a reasonable investment of money and time... so, no, not orthopedic foam.

I think part of the problem is that the cores are too light. I plan on using older thinner PVC that has a covering of tape that acts as a stiffener. I think they will feel better (to the wielder, anyway) and perform more in line with a real weapon.

I am finding that we bend the crap out of the aluminum L bracket a lot, and plan on upgrading those to a heavier more stiff bracket - like one designed for a shelf. We'll just have to pad it good and assume some risk in our closes.

Peace,

Tim

[Jaron Bernstein]

I know. I was just making a joke. About 2 years ago I was a mobilized reservist for a little bit and the chaplains did their rifle qualifications with us. <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />