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ARMA Fitness Program

Postby David_Knight » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:44 pm

Has anyone developed an exercise regimen that specifically targets the muscle groups we use most often in ARMA training?

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Re: ARMA Fitness Program

Postby TimSheetz » Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:31 am

Hi Dave,

I was working on somethiing like this for a few folks that asked for it.

I can try to put something together for an article or maybe an extended posting.


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Re: ARMA Fitness Program

Postby GeorgeHill » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:27 am

I have a book on weight lifting that suggests such a workout is unhealthy. Specifically, if you take any athletic activity, baseball for example, and work mostly the muscles it needs, you leave other muscles weaker. This can cause you to produce uneven stresses between the areas that are stronger and weaker, although you WILL improve your performace at the athletic activity.

It is safer and heather to go for all over fitness, even if you work harder on some areas.

Ideally, you'd go for some for of areobics, and weightlifting for most muscle groups. One activity each.

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Postby John_Clements » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:09 am

Yes, we attempted this, but the disparity in combatants, fighting styles, and weapons was such that we ended up deciding insteadto offer the peice we did on fitness as inspriation and historical precedent. The rest is left up to the individual. Working out for stamina, leg strength, and arm/forearm strength is not something hard to find expert advice on.
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Re: ARMA Fitness Program

Postby GaryGrzybek » Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:10 pm

I recently viewed the United States Tennis Associations training program and many of the drills would fit perfectly for sword training. The ressistance training not only targets all the right muscle groups but combines cardio, agility and flexibility.

Very cool stuff <img src="/forum/images/icons/cool.gif" alt="" />
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Re: ARMA Fitness Program

Postby David_Knight » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:12 am

I recently viewed the United States Tennis Associations training program and many of the drills would fit perfectly for sword training. The ressistance training not only targets all the right muscle groups but combines cardio, agility and flexibility.

That's more along the lines of what I had in mind, not pumping iron to beef up a specific muscle or two. I'm personally not a big fan of free-weight training, anyway. I just think we can develop some variations on common exercises that will complement our art on multiple levels.

For example, the ability to lunge and recover quickly is important, so anything that works the quads is obviously useful (lunges, squats, etc).

But borrowing from the concept of "rifle PT", I try to take it a step further by incorporating the weight of my actual training weapons into each exercise. For example, I do Hindu Squats while holding a hefty quarterstaff horizontally as I dip and lifting it up in a rowing motion as I recover (instead of empty handed), just to build a little more upper-body endurance. When I do lunges, I sometimes practice thrusts with each dip. And to relive my glorious guidon-bearer days (hooah!), I occasionally even run while holding my quarterstaff (though this I do under cover of darkness at an out-of-the-way location <img src="/forum/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />).

I'd love to see a basic "sword PT" regimen developed, maybe as a 15 minute warm-up option for study groups. Key word: option.

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Postby Jaron Bernstein » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:08 am

Going on that theme, one thing Jake showed us was called "hoeing the row" (to go with that nice peasant agricultural theme of Ochs, Pflug and the like). Take yer waster and go to a field or your local track. Walk up and down while working your cuts along the various angles. I do this at my local YMCA indoor track (the weather here is pretty awful now) and it is great shoulder and forarm workout, in addition to teaching you to move your body weight into the cuts. I like to do one lap on each of the cutting angles and then a lap with each meisterhau. You won't get very big with this, but you will develop power, endurance and the correct muscle memory (as in the muscle memory to instinctively swing a sword instead of to automatically bench a dumbell).

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Re: ARMA Fitness Program

Postby Jake_Norwood » Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:13 pm

In addition to that, I sometimes do "road work" with a waster (be careful what neighborhood you do this in). Basically take the idea of the jogging boxer throwing punches as he runs, and give him a waster. You run/jog along while cutting, voiding, thrusting. Its absolutely exhausting.

I've also been thinking a lot about cirque-du-solei style gymnastics...something like the european version of Yoga and Matt Furey combined. That sort of excercise is pretty common in historical plates (or so it seems), and we know that it existed. While attending a Medieval Athletics conference in Toronto last year I attended a talk or two on that very topic. It wasn't too enlightening, except that it awoke me to the developing skill of "technical manual writing" in Europe, and it showed me that handstands and the like were considered very effective excercise.

So I'm working on that, too.

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I want to see your program ASAP. Sir.

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Re: ARMA Fitness Program

Postby TimSheetz » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:00 am

Jake,

That roadwork sounds great. I need that sort of thing since I have large farm fields around which to run.

I'll get you some workout stuff.

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Re: ARMA Fitness Program

Postby GeorgeHill » Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:29 am

You said: "cirque-du-solei style gymnastics...something like the european version of Yoga and Matt Furey combined. That sort of excercise is pretty common in historical plates (or so it seems), and we know that it existed."

Facinating! I've never heard of such a thing. Can you tell me more, or direct me to more information?

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Re: ARMA Fitness Program

Postby Jake_Norwood » Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:42 pm

Well, to tell you the truth, that's exactly the kind of thing that I'm looking for, too.

Plates of squires, etc., training often show activities such as saddle-horse gymnastics and handstands. During last year's Rennaisance Athletics Conference in Toronto one speaker (Greg Malszecki, I believe), cited a joust during which a Duke, wearing full armor, lifted himself from his saddle by arm strength alone, did a full turn with his legs around the horse's head, and lowered himself back onto the saddle. This was to show that he was not tied down, as he had been struck very forcefully without being unhorsed.

Now this shows not only practice, but incredible strength, balance, and agility. This guy did the equivalent of modern saddle-horse gymnastics wearing full armor on a live animal that was probably moving somewhat at the time. Wow.

Also, if I remember correctly, this was later in the period, when jousting armor was the heavy stuff seen in museums today.

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Re: ARMA Fitness Program

Postby Jeff Hansen » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:11 am

I recently found a website which I thought I would post for everyone to check out. It contains biograghical information and in many cases, copies of mail order courses from a large number of old time stongmen, all for free. This includes not only Farmer Burns, but also Atlas, Inch (cool course on grip strength), and many others. There is some interesting stuff by a fellow named Strongfort. I've been browsing through it picking and choosing, a little of this and a little of that. If nothing else it's amazing to read some of the feats of strength these guys accomplished. And, you can get Farmer Burns (check out his views on jui jitsu) without giving Matt Furey an arm and a leg. Cool stuff. enjoy. <img src="/forum/images/icons/laugh.gif" alt="" />

here's the address: www.sandowplus.co.uk/
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Re: ARMA Fitness Program

Postby Andrew Kesterson » Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:05 pm

Not to revive a long dead topic, but I do have at lest one exercise to contribute. It's actually an exercise borrowed from a Chinese Longsword book I read once.

You can get a wicked wrist, forearm, and shoulder workout with a waster (or any sword-length strong stick), some parachute cord, and a 2 liter bottle full of water. If you're a hell of a man, you can use more than one. But try it first with a full 2 liter bottle.

Fill the bottle with water, and use the parachute cord to attach the bottle to the blade of the waster, towards the tip. Attach it with a slip-knot, so you can adjust its position on the waster if necessary. You should have about 1 or 1+1/2 foot of cord between the waster and the bottle. Now this exercise is pretty simple; hold the waster in ONE hand, and using your wrist and forearm alone (try to keep your elbow from bending), rotate the waster up - lifting the bottle off of the floor. One repetition of this is to raise the waster from 45 deg below your waist (low guard) to 45 deg above your waist (middle guard). I guarantee you this exercise will surprise you in its difficulty. I know people that have used sword for years, and couldn't even get the bottle off the floor.

If you have trouble, you can do a number of things. You can move the cord closer to the hilt, so that your weight isn't so far away from your hand. You can also try winding up some of the cord around the blade of the waster, so the bottle isn't dangling so low. You can also empty some of the water from the bottle, until you're able to work it without killing yourself. You would of course add more water over time, the more confident you became with the exercises.

If this isn't challenging enough for you, now practice going through all of the different guards with the bottle attached. Going from tail guard to guard of the window, and then to high guard, will prove much more difficult than you would think.

You can also try transitioning between middle guard and guard of the window, as well as rotating your sword arm from right to left, while holding the point at the same point in space, as if it were the point of rotation and not your hand. It's the same as if you were trying to change the position of your hands while maintaining the point at the opponent's face. When you're doing this, focus on the bottle bobbing and shaking as little as possible.

This is absolutely guaranteed to set all the muscles in your arm on fire after 10 minutes. And best of all it's dirt cheap. Enjoy! <img src="/forum/images/icons/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: ARMA Fitness Program

Postby JeffGentry » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:59 pm

Andrew

That actualy sound's fantastic, I have been looking for something like this, i thought of using the rubber band thing's and they were never enough resistance, i'll try this.
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Postby M Wallgren » Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:07 pm

When I was training Iaido I did a lot of Training with my back... was very god for powerful chops... Now its mostly Weightlifting to get me fit for the kampfringen....
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