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Test Cutting

Postby JeanryChandler » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:04 pm

Some of my friends and I from New Orleans were able to do some test cutting this weekend in a nearby town in Louisiana. We were able to handle and cut with some of the finest replicas currently available, overall about 25 swords from at least 4 different makers, though primarily by Albion Armorers.

Up until this point, my only "test cutting" had been with machetes and an old beat up WW II Japanese military issue kataana, so this was an extremely interesting and valuable opportunity for me.

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=4598

My two major impressions were A) how hard it is to cut properly (you can see a photo of me botching one cut in the Myarmoury website) and B) how dangerous those swords are! You just don't get any real sense of it from blunts. For anyone who has been doing WMA training but hasn't had an opportunity to test cut with a really good replica sharp I highly reccomend it to enhance your understanding of these weapons and the entire concept of martial arts with swords.

This also makes my appreciation of Hollywood depictions of swords even less. Because they use aluminum blunts etc. in those movies, the physical awareness of the swords, the body language and attitude of actors toward it, is way, way too casual. I got to say it again, these things are DANGEROUS! It's definately like handling a loaded gun, thats the only thing I an compare it to.

All in all a very fun day and an invaluable learning experience. I can't wait until my sharp arrives from the Czech republic next week so I can start practicing my cutting technique. Integrating the skill and concentration needed to cut properly into WMA fighting techniques is even more of a challenge, just thinking about it it's starting to dawn upon me how long I have to go...

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Re: Test Cutting

Postby Matthew_Anderson » Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:02 pm

Yes, test cutting is a very important aspect of sword training for all the reasons you mention. I personally don't like cutting soda bottles or pool noodles anymore. They are easy on the blades but really don't present a realistic target. I like newspaper rolled onto a wooden dowel or thick cardboard tubes best. The tatami mats are OK too, but the real ones are expensive!
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Re: Test Cutting

Postby JeanryChandler » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:58 pm

I agree, I would very much like to try test cutting on a variety of other mediums, including meat with and without bones, wooden shields, even armor. But we were using weapons owned by Albion Armorers and by some private collectors, all of whom graciously lent us their weapons and who determined the cutting mediums they were most comfortable with using. Given the pricetag on some of those swords I can understand!

My own first sharp will be here in a couple of weeks from the Czech republic and I will be testing it on other medium.

I am still delighted I got to experience the event and especially to cut with some of those very high-end swords which are very different from the others I've seen and handled (if not cut with) before.

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Re: Test Cutting

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:39 pm

Just make sure not to test cut with cheap SLO's. I saw a MRL Towton snap off at the hilt and the blade narrowly missed someone.

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Re: Test Cutting

Postby JeanryChandler » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:04 pm

Yeah I think I saw a post about that... thats a shame the Towton is a nice looking sword.

That definately was one of the advantages of this little jaunt we had though, we were able to cut with some $1500 swords, in a completely different league from a lot of the replicas I normally get to see at WMA events.

The sharp I'm getting didn't cost nearly as much but it was made by one of the better blacksmiths in the world, so I'm expecting it to hold up well.

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Re: Test Cutting

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Re: Test Cutting

Postby JeanryChandler » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:00 am

I think the myarmoury site was down for a while, try again during the day...

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Re: Test Cutting

Postby Alfred Wong » Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:36 am

The sharp I'm getting didn't cost nearly as much but it was made by one of the better blacksmiths in the world, so I'm expecting it to hold up well.


Congradulation! I am waiting for my sharp to arrive too! Wasn't it a joy to anticipate? <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

Curious - who's the smith?

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P. S. Haven't seen your new clips for a long time...
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Re: Test Cutting

Postby JeanryChandler » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:24 am

Alfred,

The smith is Vladimir Cervenca. It is a joy to anticipate, a bit like a child before Christmas.

I did actually post a (short) clip recently, in the "Anachronistic" thread. Some interesting bouts too, (padded) longsword vs. (steel) rapier, and huscarl axe vs sword and shield, including a guy getting pulled off his feet by the axe! Nobody commented on it though, you should have a look <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Test Cutting

Postby Alfred Wong » Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:13 pm

Hello Jeanry,

I thought of buying from him too - be sure to write a review on that when it arrives, when would that likely be?

Watched the clips. IMHO I would say,

1. Getting any part into the attack range without actual threating the opponent is not good.
2. Hitting the opponent's hanging guard is not good.
3. Doing a hanging guard before a shield may get rushed happily.

Again I must thanks for your help to call Tinker!

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Re: Test Cutting

Postby JeanryChandler » Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:07 pm

Hi Alfred

I will review it. Now that I have handled some of the nicer Albion and Arms and Armor pieces I'll have something to actually compare it to.

I'm sorry, it wasn't clear, in your brief critique were you talking about some things that I did or some of the other guys in the clip? Some of the fighters were from another group.

Have you ever fought against a rapier using a sword?

You are welcome about the tinker thing, I wasn't aware you were involved in that. Give my regards to Lance.

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Re: Test Cutting

Postby Alfred Wong » Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:17 pm

Dear Jeanry,

I am referring to the first few round. Not critiques - but personal opinion, just something that I would not do. So there were other people? Hmm- I remember you, Skip and the small buckler guy much.

I haven't had the chance to spar with rapier, although there's always one handy but no one would like to use it... And also I have no comment about that round too.

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Re: Test Cutting

Postby PekkaLuodeslampi » Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:58 pm

Here are some clips of ”test cutting” (More likely test smashing.) with thick wooden waster. I thought to try it with a waster because I don’t have a real sword yet.

I had friend who can bench press over 130 KGs or 286 in LBS. He takes part in Finnish Discus throwing National Championship in 22 years old category. He tried one those classic baseball swings on a water filled milk carton. Here is his attempt: http://www.kolumbus.fi/luodes/Discusman.avi and here is the result http://www.kolumbus.fi/luodes/Effect.avi

Here is me doing it http://www.kolumbus.fi/luodes/Hit.avi
And here is the result http://www.kolumbus.fi/luodes/Result.avi
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Re: Test Cutting

Postby JeanryChandler » Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:04 pm

Surreal
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