Volarica

[M Wallgren]

Not in a decending line i think, but the system of Liechtenauer seems to been widly spread in the Holy germanitalian empire. There was alot of contact between the region we know as Germany and they states on the italian peninsula. So Fiore was most likely aware of the teachings of Liechtenauer an/or they had simmilar roots for there systems. Döbringer say that Liechtenauer has "collected old styles" and made "the best" system out of the old "that had been around for hundreds of years". This is of course just quallified guesses and not fact...

[Mike Chidester]

He was, at the very least, a contemporary of Liechtenhauer's students, and the similarities between his teachings and theirs are striking indeed if there's no connection.

[M Wallgren]

I agree completly...

If one look at the dates he is between Döbringer and Ringeck/Talhoffer and an important link in the evolutionchain of the swordfighting system of europe. I hope to go deeper into his system during this comming year.

[Jeffrey Hull]

That is a good point. Study of Frederick Barbarosa, one of the Kaisers of HRE, shows his interest in controlling Germany and as much of Italy as possible. Just one of many monarchs who delved their stakes in both areas of Europe, and consequently affected both areas.

[ChrisThies]

Hello Jeff,
In reply to:
[/quote]In chapter 14 where this is located he is discussing "Reason (principles) of sword Half Time" which seem's to indicate to me what you should do when you bind(ie twitch, wind).

Would those not be half time action's(take half as much time to do)?

Does he ever discuss this else where beside's chapter 14?
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I read Vadi's mezzo tempo actions the same way as you do, being twitches originating from a bind, powered by quick wrist manipulations &/or 'torquing' of the handle.

I believe that Chapter XIV is the only specific mention of any specific timing principle by Vadi - that being mezzo tempo . All other basic timing principles must be inferred based upon the action/technique. Porzio & Mele (2001 translation) do a good job explaining the 3 basic tempos (stesso tempo - 'single time'; dui tempi - 'double time'; & mezzo tempo - 'half time') in their introductory text &/or footnotes.

Even though Vadi doesn't explicitly state that his stramazzone of Chapter X is a 'mezzo tempo', I think that its method of execution puts it in the mezzo tempo timing category.

[JeffGentry]

Hey Chris

Even though Vadi doesn't explicitly state that his stramazzone of Chapter X is a 'mezzo tempo', I think that its method of execution puts it in the mezzo tempo timing category.

I have only a couple basic read through's of Vadi, I have done no real study of his text, i also got the impression that his stramazzone was also in the mezzo tempo category.

My study of any of the italian master's is very lacking i have read through few on a cursory level, i realy need to set aside the german for a month or two and realy study the italian master's.

Jeff