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Postby Derek Wassom » Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:09 pm

I just got in from cutting with my A&A Shloss Erback sword. I had to stop early because the wood cracked in my hands because of a bent tang at the pommel. I took the leather off to see why ash was flaking out of the handle. It seemes the tang was put into the wood while it was still hot, buring the wood all the way through in places (remember that "knot" I was worried about John?). The only thing I was cutting was a bottle, and this should not have bent the tang. I just wrote Creig an E-mail to see what should be done.
::sigh:: <img src="/forum/images/icons/frown.gif" alt="" /> I have had a crummy day.
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Re: Bent Tang

Postby Jake_Norwood » Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:28 pm

That really does suck! For half a grand one should expect better.
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Re: Bent Tang

Postby GaryGrzybek » Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:05 am

Probably just an isolated case, just give Craig a call and I'm sure they'll make it right.
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Re: Bent Tang

Postby George Turner » Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:39 pm

Darn,

I've seen that method in a set of knife-making videos. They drill a pilot hole for the tang, then get the tang really really hot with a torch, and let the hot tang shape the inside of the handle by burning it. This was done as part of the final assembly, after the blade had been heat treated, so the result was a tang that was left in the very very soft, air cooled condition. (I wanted to scream at my T.V.) In composite swords, such as early Viking or migration era stuff, where they used wrought iron for the tang (or so I hear), the tangs are very large and thick. Soft steel just can't hold up in a thin, narrow tang. It won't survive the shock loading of an impact, because there's a big, heavy pommel on the end.
It works for knives, but not for swords.

If they're going to use this method of burning the inside of the handle, they ought to mill out a seperate piece of steel, with the same dimensions as their tangs, and use it for the burning process. Or they could switch to some sort of broaching, filing, or even gluing operation to make their handles.

I'm sure it's an oops that they'll correct. I'd just straighten the tang and heat treat it again. You must be having a very down day <img src="/forum/images/icons/frown.gif" alt="" /> On my first expensive sword I ended up welding in major tang reinforcement. Unfortunately I didn't extend it all the way to the shoulder of the blade, so it bent there instead.

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Re: Bent Tang

Postby Shane Smith » Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:12 pm

Derek,I'm sorry to hear you had such a misfortune. I must admit that you are the only first-hand account I have heard of anyone cutting with an A&amp;A blade(most can't seem to bring themselves to do such a thing! <img src="/forum/images/icons/confused.gif" alt="" /> ).I'm sorry your particular sword failed to meet even the modest challenge of the dreaded pop bottle. You didn't hit "flat" did you?Thats the only reasonable explaination outside of a VERY poorly made blade.This just goes to show that even a manufacturer with a first-class reputation can let a dog slip through QC from time to time.I hope they treat you right on this and all of us expect a full report on same I'm sure.
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Re: Bent Tang

Postby John_Clements » Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:40 pm

That's a shame. A&amp;A has good stuff that I admire.
I know what it feels like to lose swords you like.

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Re: Bent Tang

Postby Derek Wassom » Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:09 pm

Thanks guys. I talked with Creig and he will fix the sword for me. I don't know anything about sword making, so this may make little difference but... this sword has the tang weld right at the base of the pommel, and this seems like it would be very prone to bending.
I don't think that this is the norm for A&amp;A, so I will continue to do business with them. I may try and trade this one in for another model.
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Re: Bent Tang

Postby Derek Wassom » Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:07 pm

Here is an e-mail from Craig, I think he clairifies things.

"Hello Derek

I will check on the exchange and see if that is feasible. I saw your
thread on ARMA. I just wanted to clarify a couple of things for you if
people ask. The grip is not burned from a drilled hole. It is in fact rifled
to a nearly tight fit then the tang is used to burn just a moment to
customize the interior of the grip to that particular tang. (Here is were I
wonder if your grip slow burned a bit and created a weak point. This has not
happened to me in years but it maybe a fcator.) The tangs are soft and I
feel this is backed up by a perponderance of historical example. I in fact
was holding the original Schloss Erbach in my hand yesterday and the tang is
quite small on that piece.

Anyway I would like to see the item before I get into it to much and figure
out why yours went south. I have sold quite a few of these over the years
and this is the first to do this and several of these have been used for
cutting by people for years.

Have a good one.
Craig"
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Re: Bent Tang

Postby Jake_Norwood » Sat Feb 01, 2003 11:26 am

On a related note, my MRL "Sword of Albrecht II," which is one of their finer peices, is starting to do this same thing, I think. The pommel has begun not only to twist, but to bend over ever-so-slightly. I think I'll be rehilting it shortly...
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Re: Bent Tang

Postby Derek Wassom » Wed Feb 12, 2003 9:14 pm

My new sword arrived today. The guys at A&amp;A replaced the old one free of charge. Craig took a look at the problem one and told me that they had somehow missed a step in the tang welding process.
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