Don Pedro Heredia's Spanish Fencing Acquired!

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Don Pedro Heredia's Spanish Fencing Acquired!

Postby John_Clements » Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:37 pm

ARMA is excited to announce the acquisition of the "Tratado de las Armas" of Don Pedro de Heredia, captain of the guard and fencing master to the court of the King of Spain. &1 plates of this previously unavailable fencing manuscript is a fascinating look at Spanish rapier, rapier & cloak, rapier and dagger and case of rapiers from c.1600. This French version is the only fully illustrated renaissance Spanish fencing text (and contrary to assertions from some parties who have never examined it, the work appears definitively of the Spanish school, and perhaps distinct from the La Destreza “court” fencing of Carranza and Narvaez). Characteristic of the Spanish style however, it shows a sword straight-arm, an upright stance, and no lunge, yet no circular walking. However, it reveals several unique and intriguing elements such as side-ways gripped rapiers, lack of a fingering grip, passing attacks, left handed adversaries, open palm parries against the edge, no strong cuts or slices, plus also blade seizures, hilt grabs and traps, and some close-grapple and unarmed dagger defense. We will be spending some time digesting the material, developing an interpretation and producing a new rapier curriculum based upon it.
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Re: Don Pedro Heredia's Spanish Fencing Acquired!

Postby George Turner » Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:50 pm

Very Nice!

Is it B/W or in color? And that guy who keeps his off hand behind him keeps getting stabbed. He should quit that.

Nice Find!

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Re: Don Pedro Heredia's Spanish Fencing Acquired!

Postby Guest » Wed Jan 29, 2003 4:12 pm

John, who's translating the Castellano for this project?

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Re: Don Pedro Heredia's Spanish Fencing Acquired!

Postby John_Clements » Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:06 pm

Actually, this is the French version, the only known surviving one. The language is easy enough.

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Re: Don Pedro Heredia's Spanish Fencing Acquired!

Postby John_Clements » Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:07 pm

Let me clarify. Our curriculum will include his and we wil develop a program from his work, but ARMA's rapier will not be "based" on this alone.

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Re: Don Pedro Heredia's Spanish Fencing Acquired!

Postby TimSheetz » Thu Jan 30, 2003 7:15 am

Outstanding!

Mo' is bettah.

Tim
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Re: Don Pedro Heredia's Spanish Fencing Acquired!

Postby Guest » Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:25 am

Hi John,

Great Find and I can't wait to see the plates. Is there anyway to get a copy from ya?
I was also wonder when you said, "This French version is the only fully illustrated renaissance Spanish fencing text". What do you consider Thibault? Thanks!

TTFN

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Re: Don Pedro Heredia's Spanish Fencing Acquired!

Postby John_Clements » Fri Jan 31, 2003 12:10 pm

Hi Jared,

Long time no hear. I consider Thibualt to be a Spanish-style, but the author is Flemish and even Narvaez called it a bastardized version, if I recall correctly. So, Heredia then would be the only actual Spanish work with such illustrations, though this one is a French translation copy of the original.

The manual will eventuallly be published, but will be available only to our Members at first. In the mean, it will definately be digested and analysed in light of currrent beliefs and claims about the Spanish style.

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Re: Don Pedro Heredia's Spanish Fencing Acquired!

Postby steve hick » Fri Jan 31, 2003 1:58 pm

Congratulations, I can't wait for the translation. This is an important work, it would be interesting to see a detailed analysis of this style when compared to Do Luis'.

Steve

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Re: Don Pedro Heredia's Spanish Fencing Acquired!

Postby Guest » Sat Feb 01, 2003 2:11 am

I can't wait to see it and congrats again for getting it out of whatever library you did.
I did some research in the bibliographies and De Leguina has the original listed as 218 pages with 54 watercolors and from the 16th century. How many pages is this French version?

TTFN

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Re: Don Pedro Heredia's Spanish Fencing Acquired!

Postby Guest » Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:07 pm

John,

Super news! We have a Spaniard deployed with us and he mentioned the spanish fencing manuals and was going to do some researching when he returned home to see what he could find us. I think Don Pedro Heredia's Spanish Fencing Book just put the hook in his mouth to join ARMA.

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