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William Savage
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False edge strokes

Postby William Savage » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:29 pm

At first I thought their were only eight strokes oberhau, unterhau..... but now ive learned that the short edge was active in longsword combat.
the only way to perform these short edge cuts seems to be just the reverse motion of the normal eight cuts? is this correct?
Anyone who knows different please describe the starting and ending stances one should be in when performing the back edge cuts.
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Re: False edge strokes

Postby JeffGentry » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:35 pm

Hey Wiliam

You were at the Appelton 1.0 right?

If so John demonstrated the short edge cut's there.


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Re: False edge strokes

Postby SzabolcsWaldmann » Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:14 am

William,

The question makes me think that you think, all eight cuts are done with the long edge. If you look at Fiore, this is not the case; he says, 'all what's reverso goes with the short edge'.
In German schools, there are no real "8 cuts", but a number of strikes, primary and secondary, and sometimes a simple Cut and a bit more complicated Technic are both called Strikes.
As for me, I am teching the eight cuts with the long edge, and show the short edge cuts as technics or mention, that in some schools those are the real way. I do not think things up, and tell always everyone about those things.
All in one, I belive that cutting all eight cuts with the long edge, in different directions, sometimes even combining them to 2-3 or 4 cut-motions is a good way to learn. For example, fendente to the front, reverso ridoppio to the back and reverso squalembrato to the right all with the long edge makes a beautiful motion, that will teach you a lot about your own weightpoint and about the blade's movement and how to use all this to move in perfect unison with your sword, not stepping or turning to soon or to late. We do a lot of free flourish and stuff so that our strikes my become well balanced, good timed and powerful, yet graceful and effective.
But, as before said, some schools did not recognize a reverso ridoppio with the long edge, for example.
Anyway, when learning to do both, you will do nothing wrong <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

Simply do not think about this as "8 cuts", but "8 directions" of the sword.

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Re: False edge strokes

Postby Randall Pleasant » Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:47 am

William

Read about the Zwerchhau, Schiller, and Krumphau of Master Liechtenauer. Also check out the ARMA Training &amp; Practice Video page, there is a really good video of Senior Scholar Stew Feil performing a cutting drill in which he makes many cuts with the false edge. Note that the waster used by Stew has one edge painted black and the other white, this will allow you to tell which edge he is using.
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Re: False edge strokes

Postby William Savage » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:28 pm

Thanks for the advice especially you Randall and Jeff, yes i first saw all the false edge cuts when John did them but was unnable to perform them fluidly without just doing a reverse normal stroke.
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Re: False edge strokes

Postby William Savage » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:29 pm

Thanks for the advice especially you Randall. And Jeff, yes i first saw all the false edge cuts when John did them but was unnable to perform them fluidly without just doing a reverse normal stroke.
thanks.

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Re: False edge strokes

Postby JeffGentry » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:13 pm

William

Alot of the short edge cut's are not realy the same as they are when done from the shoulder to the ground/hip, they just come in on one of the four segno line's, i.e a r-l zornhau and following through to come from behind to a short edge cut over your head on your left side in a position similar to och's.

It just take's practice try to flourysh and let thing's happen and you will get a feel for using your short edge, it just take's time and a good feel for swinging your sword.

Definately check out Stew's video though he does some good short edge stuff in it.



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