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Female Armor- Dang hard to find!

Postby Lorraine Munoa » Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:10 pm

Most armor, for sport, reenactment or what have you, seems to be designed for men. This is not a "sexist" statement, this is just a fact.
Are there any fairly functional, somewhat Historical looking designs of body armor out there that accomodate the female form?
Most of the so called armor made available for women resembles tacky lingerie, and no real warrior woman would be caught dead in the stuff. IMHO.
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Re: Female Armor- Dang hard to find!

Postby Brian Hunt » Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:39 pm

It has been my experience that a 14th century churburg harness works well for a woman. The Churburg segmented breastplate is dished to a nice curve and does well to protect a woman's upper assets. The arms and legs can be built to properly fit, a gambeson can be tailored to your bodies shape, and chainmail just kind drapes as it needs to whether male or female. This would put you in fairly historically accurate armour. Otherwise you are going to have to modify a current historical armour to better fit the female form, for this you must have custom work made for you. For safety's sake, If you are going to do armoured fighting, I would also recommend female groin protection, also sometimes refered to as a Jane. Agreed on the fantasy armour you often see made for women, but I have also seen well built designs of things like 15th century gothic armour made to properly fit a woman, and without tacky things like metal nipples.

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Re: Female Armor- Dang hard to find!

Postby Casper Bradak » Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:42 pm

I suppose "hard to find" depends on your chest size. There are no shortage of armouries out there, and I'm sure most would accomodate for female measurements. In all likelyhood it will probably be a matter of finding an unaltered design that fits.
Armour is a functional weapon, and female armour should not differ in design from that for men. It should only be a matter of fitting to the particular consumer.
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Re: Female Armor- Dang hard to find!

Postby SzabolcsWaldmann » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:16 am

Yes, that's what I believe as well.
If you have any doubts, please look at this foto of my Mom wearing Gothic Armour.
http://www.sword.sg18.net/gallery/G15/images/05.jpg
Or at this one, that girl is the middle (notice the lady in the right corner as well <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> )
http://www.sword.sg18.net/gallery/G10/images/01.jpg
Neither does this Hundsgugel hide a man's face <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
http://www.sword.sg18.net/gallery/G10/images/10.jpg
If anything, a well-made curved Hounskull bascinet, or Hundsgugel can look good on a girl.

Of course I've seen many designs meant for women, nad they look really cool, yet are not historically accurate. It's everyman's decision to go with the fashion (like, what would have happened in armour evolution inb the age of feminism) or stay accurate historically.
You know what? I don't know if there is any armour left in museums, which were meant for women. Who knows? Maybe there WAS a special design....

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Re: Female Armor- Dang hard to find!

Postby jeremy pace » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:10 am

Thanks for those shots! ive been trying to convince my wife to armour up and her big complaint is that it wont fit. Very cool to see! <img src="/forum/images/icons/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Female Armor- Dang hard to find!

Postby Lorraine Munoa » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:18 pm

Hard to find does indeed depend on the form of the female in question... In this case me, so I'd probably have to just get something custom made or learn how to alter things to fit, unless anyone out there has offered armor made to fit various shapes of women...
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Re: Female Armor- Dang hard to find!

Postby Lorraine Munoa » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:20 pm

And Brian, can you post a link to pictures of a churburg harness? Thanks!
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Re: Female Armor- Dang hard to find!

Postby Brian Hunt » Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:37 pm

Here is a moder version of such a harness. http://www.varmouries.com/tran_01.html

Here is a webpage that has one guys attempt at a reproduction of the breastplate from the #13 churburg harness (held at the largest private armoury at churburg castle). It is nice because the pictures on the right are pictures of the original museum piece. http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jselmer/churburg.htm

This type of harness has full arms and legs, greaves, sabatons, spaulders and a good helmet. It sometimes refered to as transitional because it uses chain as a large part of the body protection. You can get started with this armour with just the plate pieces and a good gambeson, but to be really safe you will need a good riveted shirt to help protect you from the thrusts that occur in practicing historical armoured combat techniques. the armour is held on by points (sewn down cord that you tie the armour to you with) attached to the arming coat or gambeson. For holding up the legs, I am enamoured by the idea of pourpoint, basically a tight vest that has ties that come down to attach the legs to and that the arming coat goes over.

Also, you could go with the a velvet covered coat of plates, instead of the #13 breast plate such as shown here. http://www.varmouries.com/tran_10.html This of course gives more solid protection to the belly and down to the hips than chain used with the #13 churburg.

hope this helps.

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P.S. I am in the middle of building my own set of 14th century armour. I have the #13 breastplate done, and I am currently finishing up the helm. I have the legs and arms cut out, but nothing shaped yet. Too many other projects that have 1st priority, such as fencing helms for paying customers. <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Female Armor- Dang hard to find!

Postby Brian Hunt » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:08 am

Also this link has a beautiful reproduction of a churburg harness, and some of the most beautiful reproduction pieces I have ever seen.

http://www.medievalrepro.com/Premier.htm

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Re: Female Armor- Dang hard to find!

Postby James Hudec » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:24 pm

Most of the so called armor made available for women resembles tacky lingerie, and no real warrior woman would be caught dead in the stuff. IMHO.
This won't be anything in the way of helping, but would I be correct in assuming that this might express your feelings more or less accurately?

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Re: Female Armor- Dang hard to find!

Postby Jaron Bernstein » Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:12 am

I have no experience with wearing armor, but some things fit everyone: you might want to try just the universal gambeson, gauntlets helmet and mail for starters.

I was under the impression that good plate (munitions grade stuff aside) was custom fitted for the wearer (female or male) in any event, which is not a cheap purchase. Those who know more of armor please correct me if I am wrong here.

Depends how much you want to do the harnisfechten thing I guess. If you do want cheaper plate, you could do mix-n-match from what is for sale from existing pieces and just commission a custom chest plate. If you can afford it, hell, get that custom harness and wreak havoc. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />


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