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Dennis Zlat
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The question to John Clements

Postby Dennis Zlat » Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:54 am

Good Day, Dear John Clements.
I was on your seminar when you were in Israel, in Haifa. There, you mentioned that there were Jewish Fencing Masters in Germany. Unfortunately, I did not have a possibility to ask you about their names because it was only one fact among the great amount of information that you gave us.
Could you name them because I want to find out about this interesting historical fact? Maybe, somebody else can help me.
I am looking forward for you answering.

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Re: The question to John Clements

Postby JeanryChandler » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:21 pm

I know there was a famous wrestler they refer to who was called somebody the jew... can't remember the exact name tho
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Re: The question to John Clements

Postby david welch » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:26 pm

Ott Jud "Ott the Jew"
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Re: The question to John Clements

Postby Logan Weed » Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:18 pm

Wikipedia is, as usual, helpful in such things:

"Ott Jud was a martial arts master of the early 1400s, probably from southern Germany. He is said to have developed an effective system of grappling to be used in serious combat (called Kampfringen "combat grappling"), including joint breaks, arm locks and throws designed to cause serious injury. No treatise from Ott's own hand has survived, but his system is taught by several fencing masters of the later 15th century, including Hans Talhoffer, Peter von Danzig and Jud Lew. Paulus Kal counts him among the "society of Liechtenauer" (possibly a direct student of Liechtenauer's), saying that he was wrestling teacher to the "lords of Austria". According to Lew, Ott was a baptized Jew."

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Re: The question to John Clements

Postby SzabolcsWaldmann » Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:50 pm

...Speaking of which, Jud Lew was a jew as well. In a treatise (I believe it's speyer or danzig) he is called Leuwen Jud, eg. Lion, the Jew.

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Re: The question to John Clements

Postby Dennis Zlat » Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:31 am

Thanks Everybody for the given information <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> , I am the member of a re-enactment group, and I am particularly interested in 15th century German. It is great that it were Jewish Martial Art Masters, this fact adds some heritage in my hobby.
Thank You, now I am going to do some research about Jud Lew and Ott the Jew.


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