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Re: New Editorial - On the Threshold

Postby david welch » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:42 am

Outstanding article.

If I could change just one thing in any MA training, it is that if we have to have a threshold of training intensity... it should be an upper one that we can't cross, not a lower one that people have to be forced across.
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Re: New Editorial - On the Threshold

Postby Allen Johnson » Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:40 am

Great stuff to chew on. Thanks John.
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Re: New Editorial - On the Threshold

Postby JeanryChandler » Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:47 pm

Good article, I agree with the premise. Thats why I try to do everything I can to help people make better padded weapons and constantly improve the designs since they allow one very important aspect of training- full speed full contact sparring.

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New Editorial - On the Threshold

Postby John_Clements » Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:48 am

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Re: New Editorial - On the Threshold

Postby Aaron Pynenberg » Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:48 am

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Re: New Editorial - On the Threshold

Postby John_Clements » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:34 pm

Thanks guys.

There is no question that the pursuit of Renaissance martial arts is a results oriented activity. It’s not really about anything else other than discovering what the meaning of the source teachings were and how to perform them. It’s not about self-esteem or feeling good regardless of whatever your efforts. Even ideas associated with the pursuit of Renaissance martial arts, such as character development, physical fitness, exploration of heritage, etc., are all “results” and arguably occur only after a certain proficiency in and understanding of the physical discipline itself (the fighting skills) has been gained.

A survey of the historical source texts which serve as the basis for our study of Renaissance martial arts alerts us to an incontestable reality: the necessity and immediacy for combat effectiveness in the craft was constantly refreshed by the danger of daily life. Fighting-men of the time were reminded frequently that theirs was a violent age and real self-defense disciplines were essential for survival. What we should seek to achieve in our modern approximation of these disciplines is combat effectiveness—not showmanship, not entertaining performances, not “dancing” with weapons, not softly going through motions, and not elaborate operatic moves that attempted in a historical encounter would be quickly suicidal. Combat effectiveness was what a historical fighting art was all about: It was for battle not ballet.

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Re: New Editorial - On the Threshold

Postby ElizabethPangerl » Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:59 pm

As always, excellent writing and food for thought. Although self-esteem is not an aim of what we do, it can be an unintentional benefit to both self and art. It's one thing to believe a technique from the manuals would be lethally effective if someone executed it with force, another thing to believe you would be capable of executing it with force, and yet another thing to have proven to yourself what happens when you actually execute it with force. All are valuable insights, but the last one builds confidence in self as well as art, which in turn inspires further training and study and through those efforts, increased skill.

For instance, although I believe in practicing with intent, I had a lot of trouble learning to physically do that and I knew I had to overcome that in order to progress. Details aside, I have the opportunity at work to practice striking with intent, using sharp weapons and a stationary, inanimate object as a target. I recently missed my target and broke off part of a table. In doing so, I finally proved to myself that *I* was able to cut with sufficient force to cause damage. Even such a small step shows progress and every bit of progress inspires one to strive for more progress. It wasn't my intention to learn a lesson about myself when I cut with intent and I don't think I'd have learned quite the same lesson if I'd pulled the cut and merely scratched the table. Still, it's a valuable lesson because otherwise I certainly wouldn't have realized how much I need to improve my aim. <img src="/forum/images/icons/blush.gif" alt="" />
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Re: New Editorial - On the Threshold

Postby John_Clements » Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:28 pm

Interesting thoughts. Worth considering. Thanks.

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Re: New Editorial - On the Threshold

Postby Nathan Dexter » Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:53 pm

Wonderful article, I agree completely
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