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Finally getting 'martial'

Postby Patrick Kelly » Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:53 pm

Hello all,

After having been away from martial arts training for about 7-8 years now I've finally found a training partner and we intend to start training with the longsword. We have all of the books by Tobler, Windsor, etc., as well as sharps, wasters, and appropriate footgear. No body protection as of yet but we won't be at the free-sparing stage for quite a while.

I'd welcome suggestions from those of you with training experience. I'm thinking things like timing, distance and footwork are good places to begin. Any advice on putting together a begginers training regime would be appreciated.

P.

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Re: Finally getting 'martial'

Postby Shane Smith » Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:09 pm

Footwork is the best place to start for certain in my experience. Once you can co-ordinate your sword with your feet, you're ready to move ahead.
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Re: Finally getting 'martial'

Postby Patrick Kelly » Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:51 pm

Thanks Shane, and thanks to the rest of you gentlemen for your assistance.

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Re: Finally getting 'martial'

Postby Craig Peters » Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:08 pm

Patrick,

I think one of the reasons that there might not be many replies to your post is that you've asked an essay length question. Have you looked here before? http://www.thearma.org/Practice/training.htm

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Re: Finally getting 'martial'

Postby Matthew_Anderson » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:25 am

Hey Patrick,

Definately practice the basics. Learn the basic guards and practice transitioning between them fluidly and powerfully. Learn the basic strikes and counters from both sides and practice them on a pell. I'm a big believer in pell practice because it gives you a chance to coordiante footwork with striking and practice at judging range, which is vitally important. Work drills where you simply throw strikes at each other and try to counter them by setting aside, displacing or voiding. Practice binding and winding till you can do it without having to think about it. Eventually, you have to work up to doing things at realistic speed and power, that's the only way to know if techniques really work, but get the basic down first, and wear a mask when you start going faster and harder! And do lots of freeplay, that's where you really learn what you can or can't do and how well you have learned the techniques and principles.
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Re: Finally getting 'martial'

Postby Aaron Pynenberg » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:37 am

spar, spar,spar----read, then spar, (you get the idea) by keeping the sparring as a primary part of the basic training it keeps everything "real" as you learn what looks good, and then what actually works- good luck bro- Aaron P.
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Re: Finally getting 'martial'

Postby James Sterrett » Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:29 pm

If you're looking for the skeleton of a practice session, this is what we do; adjust to taste.

1) Stretching & warming up

2) Individual footwork. done with sword in hand, in a guard position; moving it from guard to guard as you get more comfortable. The purpose, here, is to practice getting the footwork correct.

3) The footwork slides into practicing the major cuts, again, as individuals.

4) Footwork & distance drill in pairs or groups: One person leads, moving about, and the others attempt to maintain the same spatial relation to the leader. Again, the focus is really footwork and seeing it affect the distance.

These first 4 steps also serve to get your mind and body working together again, centering your attention on the training.

5) We then move into drills of various kinds. We usually try to learn one new technique per week, and try to go over anything we feel needs work. So we'll do drills on specific attacks or parries. This is one of the two biggest time blocks in the training, and exactly what the drills are varies a lot.

6) Sparring! Everybody's favorite part. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> Sparring sometimes shifts briefly back into drill if we decide we don't understand some technique as well as we want. Stop, discuss, figure it out, drill it... and back to sparring. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> Sparring is last because everybody's probably at their best at the beginning of it. You've rehearsed your footwork and your blade work, your mind is focused.... now it's time to put it to work.

In my experience - mostly from sport fencing, which is what I stole this regimen from - if you go straight to sparring, you wind up executing technique badly and thus sparring badly.

Once you're much better, it may be worthwhile trying the "sparring first" on occasion to see what bad habits appear, so they can be corrected. (I'm not that good yet. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> )

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Re: Finally getting 'martial'

Postby Aaron Pynenberg » Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:53 pm

Hey- I am with James- that's pretty close to how we do it as well, so I was not saying to spar first etc... just make that part a very important aspect of the training, so while drilling is important, most of that should be done solo throughout the week, and then save practice time for partner stuff.

We have done it many diffrent ways though, and have shifted our goals throughout time, which is only natural if you ask me.

I just got back from our practice session so i'll share it:

Started out with a little BS time to get caught up with each other, started out with a group warm-up, then we did a group guards exercise going through diffrent guards and movement drills.

We then split our groups today, we had three "senior" members grab the other three new guys and took them to our secondary floor, the remaining two "seniors" worked on whatever they wanted on the main floor,(sparring mostly with longsword and rapier and dagger/ rapier).

the Senior guy with the new guys taught 20 minutes of whatever techniques or training they wanted for instance, when it was my turn I spent alot of time on touch and press, then some general freeplay discussing tactics. When Brad took over he spent time on masterstrikes and movement. When Herb took them it was basic striking and guards, etc...

If a new guy wanted they popped out and did some sparring with the other guys for awhile then went back and more instruction.

When this was done, (about 2 hours) we all came together at the end talked about some fighting principles discussed some teachings that John has given me, and then did a few more drills followed by rapier and dagger sparring and additional longsword sparring- then it was wrestling time for about a half-hour which ended the session today- great stuff all around and we covered a ton of material in a short span of time.
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Re: Finally getting 'martial'

Postby Patrick Kelly » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:35 pm

Thank you for the feedback gentlemen, it's all valuable and appreciated. The real trick is getting my partner away from his new love interest long enough to do some real training. I've been married for 22 years so my wife is more than willing to see me walk out the door for an evening. <img src="/forum/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Finally getting 'martial'

Postby Randall Pleasant » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:39 pm

Patrick

Are you the same Patrick Kelly that does the sword reviews on MyArmoury.com?
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Re: Finally getting 'martial'

Postby Patrick Kelly » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:04 pm

Yes, that's me but I'm no longer associated with myArmoury.

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Re: Finally getting 'martial'

Postby Randall Pleasant » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:05 am

Patrick

Well, it is good to see you here. In case no one has mention it yet, the best way to kick start your training is to attend a ARMA 1.0 (Longsword) Training with John Clements or one of the Senior Free Scholars. Just one of these trainings will take you and your training partner way over the learning curve.
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Re: Finally getting 'martial'

Postby Patrick Kelly » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:22 am

Thanks Randall, all good advice thus far.


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